speakoutarchive XII 08/01/01-10/11\01

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archive XII

is anyone else fucking terrified?
renea <la-d-da@angelfire.com>
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yeah for me and you and the shit we poop!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

Okay, I apologise in advance because i'm in a really bad mood at the moment (Personal Reasons), so i'll try and be reasonable, but I'm sorry if I offend anyone.
This whole War situation has become incredibly patronising, very arrogant, and just so fucking stupid I'm having difficulty reasoning with it. Leo, let's look at this, you blame the clinton administration. Well, personally, I thought Clinton didn't do too bad. He was an asshole, undoubtedly, but all politicians are. I find it amazing that anyone can use some of the language i've heard this week and not realise what they're saying. Firstly, the powers that be in the US will have made some serious money from this situation, and anyone can realise that if the US really cared, this would never have happened. It's very true that the Taliban government have a disgusting regime, that their treatment of women is unforgivable, and that Osama Bin Laden is a truly fanatic man. BUT THIS DID NOT SPRING UP OVERNIGHT! The US trained Bin Laden, The US have given him the capabilities he has now, the US, had they a modicum of sense, would have known he was "Evil" from the start and never trained him, but they didn't care, they just wanted the russians dealt with. The Taliban has been in power for an age, and the US has supported them financially, mainly because of their supposed anti drugs stance. And now they turn round and say these people are evil? You FUCKING HYPOCRITES! I am not saying thatOsama Bin Laden was not behind the attacks. He almost certainly was. But that's how it looked last time. And then, everyone was wrong. The courts do require a lot of proof, yes, simply so that should never happen. And as for the west not having a Brainwashing mentality, that is so far beyond naive i'm not even going to contemplate it. Anyone who has read a British Tabloid Newspaper should know what I mean. The west will drag out this situation for as long as they can, because they will make more money for the military, the governments will gain more support, and they will increase their stranglehold over the middle east in the battle for Oil etc.The west has allowed this situation to happen, and to now stand up disgusted claiming they'll wipe this "Evil" from the face of the earth is sickening. It literally brings a foul taste to my mouth.
There's an anti war meeting in hyde park, 12 noon, saturday. If anyone in the UK wants to go, i'll be there. Mail me to meet up.

Again, I repeat my question. WHAT IS A TERRORIST? WHAT IS TERRORISM? NOBODY CAN TELL ME, AND I'M GETTING REALLY PISSED OFF ABOUT IT!
Metal Malcolm
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Hey, I yook this pic at theSTART music video shoot! I KNOW everyone will like it, ESPECIALLY AIMEE! The pic is Of Jaime and Craig of Deadsy... ENJOY ;) http://www.angelfire.com/ca6/melrosefetish/images/craigjamie.jpg
Olivia <melrosefetish@yahoo.com>
Los Angeles, CA USA -

I am just going to apply this situation to the simpsons. "TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!
Joey
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Hey everyone! I dont know if any of you have seen "the man who saw tomorrow" about Nostradamus and peoples interpretations of what he predicted...its kinda freaky, especially when they get to the "future" part, which is supposed to be now (the movie is pretty old). The way it was interpreated was off a little, with the dates anyway. Its definitely something worth watching. I saw it on the history channel the other day, maybe they'll play it again. What more can you say about Osama other than he is just a dark entity...*evil* if you will. stay safe.
natalie
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Jennifer- I couldn't have stated that in a more wonderful way. Human life is important no matter what color, race, figure, and etc....we should all love each other and try to assist one another when we need it. wonderful statement jennifer- my congrads on it!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Leo, what really makes me sick is your view towards human life. To say that the lives of the UN workers weren't as important as those in the WTC is disgusting! ANY loss of life is truamatic and saddening. I'm sorry I can't say I support war where even more innocent people will die. If it's unpatriotic to think that we don't need any more innocent deaths in this world than so be it. We've seen enough lives lost, why wish for more. You cannot justify a death with another death!!! Life is the most precious thing we have on this earth. Do not tell me that it is ok to take that away from people just to make you feel better about the trajedies that have already occured!! That is what I call sick, the disregard for human life that you have shown!
Jennifer
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Would it surprise you Leo to learn that you are giving Osama exactly what he wants - his 'Jihad'?
human <human@thestart.org>
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And stop trying to justify no millitary action because of four stupid UN workers. I call them stupid because they knew it was coming. America gave ALL of those people in Afghanistan tons of warnings to leave the country. It is like the idiot who sales his boat into the ocean although he has been warned that there is a huge storm coming. So what happens, he goes into the enviornment he was told to stay away from. So he takes that risk. You are trying to justify breaking our security because four UN workers got hurt. They DID know that it could happen, but they stayed anyway. It is horrible that they died but they took the risk. That is it. All of you are just supporting Bin Laden if you argue against the USA in this. Bin Laden wants you preach peace, because peace will give him more time to plot more attacks.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN USA -

Don't belive the hype. Have faith in your governemnt. Sympathy for their actions is just another level of their plan. If you want to say to turn off the tv and just ask for peace then you may as well be one of them. You people should be ashamed for helping Bin Laden gain support.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN USA -

Sometimes war is the only sollution. Please understand and maybe do a little research that these people will not discuss or work things out. Their only objective is to kill any America they see, that is it. You can't work with that. We are not going after their people, many are scared to speak up against the government because of what they might do to them, but there is a growing number of Afghan people joining the Northern Alliance because they don't want the Talliban to recruit them. These are just facts. War sucks? Yes, but it needs to be done. In World War II we spent years not doing anything to Hitler because we wanted to work things out. We had meetings with him and his top officials and they promised us and many other countries that they would stop. He wanted everybody not like him dead. If the USA hasn't stepped in against them we would not be living the kind of life we are now. If after Pearl Harbo we just tried to talk it out instead of nuking them then you would not have the kind of freedom you have. Japan said after they bombed us that they feared they had woken up a sleeping giant. Well the sleeping giant was woken up again. I know you hate war, but it is not a contradiction. We are going after the people who attacked us, this is protection not aimless killing like they have done just to kill people because they are of a certain background. I really wish that people would do research on this and other wars to see what it really means. It is easy for you to sit back and talk trash but at the end of the day it is the people you trash who are fighting so that you will have another day. Terrorism must never go unpunished. This would lead those to believe they are winning. You speak of god, well remember you are Satan to them. The only thing to get rid of the terrorists is to put the fear of god into them. All you are doing is helping them by being against the attacks on them. You are using symphathy for the devil. Trying to understand the killer so that you can justify his doings but at the same time say we are sick. I pray that one day you get a good dose of reality to wake you up from your uninformed anti-american opinions. War is the only answer to this, that is it.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN USA -

I understand that we are all very hurt, due to the tragic events on Sept.11; Yet I have one question. ISN'T MURDER WHAT WE ARE MAD AT? OR IS IT THE FACT THAT THEY DISTORTED THE "MONUMENTS"? If we are in fact mad at the whole killing issue, aren’t we contradicting ourselves? War is not the way to make things right. There will only be more terror and the possibilities of more terrorism. There will be millions of innocent people who will also lose their lives. Who gives a damn if they are from Afghanistan. They're humans just as we are- There isn't any sense of joy or pride knowing that the US is bombing this nation. Many will die- Afg. is a poor country as it is, the US has helped them out, but yet now we are taking everything back by kill innocent people. It sickens me to know that that guy..don't know his name..thinks that the death of the four UN people is insignificant. How the hell would you like it if those four people were apart of you? You'd be crushed knowing that the own US killed them- I understand that it may have been an accident, but shit happens! The only problem is that the shit is going to hit many others, and we are ALL going to suffer from this- OUR liberty, freedom, and everything we stand for is at stake here. I feel sad to be an American today, don't get me wrong America is a wonderful nation, but just knowing that many Americans are pro-war is somewhat disgusting. I know we can't sit our cunts down and talk it over tea, but war is not the answer. Honestly, I just wouldn't know a solution for this mess...may GOD just save us all!(if any of you would like to respond personally, feel free to do so)
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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If you don't understand what is happening, you are not alone. Don't blame each other. The power that we each have to overcome our fear is knowledge. Why are we so afraid? The fear grows until it becomes terror, which is our name for the biggest fear we can imagine. So now we are all imagining the worst that can happen, rather than the best. Who are these terrorists? Why have we not heard much about them before now? They believe leaders who tell them lies. How to beat them? Know the Truth! Turn off your TV. Read & learn. Your life may depend on it! Start with "Osama Bin Laden-the man who declared war on America" by Yossef Bodansky~1998. The more you know the less likely you will be to blindly accept & follow the Leader. Be of brave heart. Imagine Peace.
human <human@thestart.org>
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Jen, progress over the past 20 years. This happened because instead of keeping an eye on what was going on we did nothing. We did not one thing to prevent this from taking place. This is a result of the left wing, democratic Clinton years.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN USA -

I knew Jen would be stupid about this. Four UN workers? Yeah, that sucks, but in times of war accidents to happen. But I would like to point out that ALL people were told that attacks were coming so these people had every oppurtunity to leave. It is sad, but don't ask us to stop our attack and threaten our security for 4 people dead. You appear to forget over 7,000 dead in the states. You are so un-american, you should really go over there since you defend them more then your own goverment and fellow citizens. Go away with your peace mentality. Peace doesn't work with people who only want death. It was tried with Hitler. Hell, we even built up Bin Laden, we brought him to power and he still hates us. So no, I don't think that four UN members dead is reason to rethink our strategy, it happens. It is amazing Jen that you care so much about four UN members to back up your un-american un-supportive junk when the Talliban has muredered thousands of Afghanistan women since coming to power. If you are a women you face being killed just for being outside, if somebody thinks you looked at them, guess what bullet in the head. A terrible accident of four UN members is no grounds for being un-american. All you are doing is supporting Bin Laden. He wants Americans to not support the government. He is a genius liar. He has it crafter so well that you actually believe what he says. Go to Afghanistan Jen, experience it first hand. Or better yet, go on the net and fine a video calle "Jihad in Ameica". It is a video put out that was filmed inside not only these groups in Afghanistan but all over the world. I PROMISE that when you watch it, you will be so scared that you will never dismiss our actions again. This is a video footage they took, not americans. You will get a full dose of reality real quick.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76>
Bemidji, MN USA -

I am amazed at the stupidity of peolple against the attacks. First off we do have the proof. If you take the time to go to the FBI website there is a link to the list of "facts" in the case. Bin Laden was behind the attacks. His bank accounts have been linked to "ALL" of the ATM accounts from the attackers on Sept. 11. His network bought stock in the company's the week before the attacks. One of Bin Laden's associates who is in custody now has given great evidence against Bin Laden because this man was a planner in the Sept. 11th attacks. Also you are a HUGE IDIOT because do you really think that the USA should tell us every source and every fact. We are fighting a war and I'm sorry "loose lips sink ships". We have mountains of evidence if you would actually look into it instead of being a tree hugger. You have to realize that some of the evidence can not be disclosed for months or even a good year. Many of these people who have given proof, are still in the Talliban government, some even working along with Bin Laden. The northern alliance who is made up of the Afghans against the Talliban have people in these groups gathering information. WE ARE NOT BOMBING RANDOM TARGETS! You say that we should risk people in the ground to go in, well their are stages. First we need to get rid of the camps, homes, millitary bases, tanks etc... that they could use against our people. War does not have one stage, it has many. First we get rid of their largest weapons. Within the next week is when the special forces will be moving in to hunt down Bin Laden. I think everybody agrees that we would love to see Bin Laden alive brought back to the USA but with all the people willing to die for him it will probably come down to "If you have a shot, take it". Whoever the idiot is who says the west is brainwashed, you are morons. We do not have schools or goverment run centers set up in ANY area of the USA that promotes children killing others and themselves. Comparing idiot right wing Christians to terrorists is sick. So if you want I will send you the money for a ticket over there. You don't support your government who is going to save your ass. You don't care about the 7,000 dead fellow citizens but care more about millitary bases that are set up so that if they get the chance they will kill YOU. You should be ashamed of yourself. America has given Afghanistan more food and medical supplys then to any other middle eastern country over the past 10 years or so. We have given them their power, don't forget America are the ones who helped them to take out Russia. So what do they do, stick to their old guns of if you aren't Muslim, then eat it. This isn't a war against muslim, it is a war against terrorism. This is what is going on: We DO have the proof that Bin Laden is behind it. Just as we have proof that he was behind the embassy bombings, but the Talliban still won't hand him over. He is planning more attacks. All the terrorists on those Sept. 11th attack do have strong ties to Bin Laden, some of them have even been seen in the training camps in the past. All their money that they had been living off of for many years, and the money to pay for $40,000 flight school came from Bin Laden's organization. The USA is bombing millitary targets. No civilian homes or markets are being targeted. Once the bombing is done within the end of the week, the northern alliance will be moving in to take over. Once this happens USA will be able to show itself on the ground more and go directly after people. As to Jen who says that we will regret this. Well no matter what is done things won't be perfect, but if we either try to talk things out, which we have been trying for 10 years now or just sit back then they will launch even more attacks. Have some respect for your fellow citizens. I am very happy that 92% of the population is behind America's reaction. They waited an entire month to launch these attacks, that is amazing. They did it right, Bin Laden will be brought to justice in one way or another. Once the Talliban goverment is taken out the US is going to offer great support to help the country out. The only people who believe the hype are those of you who think we are causing this to happen, and that we shouldn't be surprised if we are bombed. You are like the people in Nazi Germany, who didn't do anything, you just let it happen. Well if you wake up with Anthrax one day then you might think different about what they will do to you. It is us or them. If a biological attack is waged by them which the FBI is looking into in Florida, then nuclear power will be used. EVERY top official has eluded to that. We have given them chances, we asked them to hand over Bin Laden and we HAVE given them the proof. And they still won't. You might not know how courts work but you need an overwhelming amount of evidence, and they have it. You could give the Talliban a video of Bin Laden teaching a class on how we will crush the world trade centers and wearing a shirt saying "I DID IT" and they would still ask for proof. Don't you get it, they are in on it too. You should be ashamed to be an American, how rude to the tens of thousands of people who lost people in the attacks that you sympathize with the enemy. Your government is saving your neck. I will never regret putting faith in the USA goverment. It is sick to try to "Understand" the enemy, there is nothing to understand they want us all dead, they are fanatics. It is time to get all of them
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, Mn USA -

You forgot the four UN members!
Jennifer
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AMERICA HAS WIPED OUT TERRORISM!THEY DESTROYED 7 HOSPITALS AND 4 ORPHANAGES!GOD BLESS AMERICA!(sarcastic)
Joey
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actually. i'm going to stay out of this. opinions are merely opinions and i was just stating mine.
as for mat getting mad over the fact that aimee wears an anarchy sign. i'm not saying anymore then i'm hoping she finds sometime to either email him back or post something up here.
hypnaughtika
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all along they've only told you wanted they wanted you to hear. this whole situation isn't any different. you'll hear what they want you to hear. not what you want to hear. the media is going to be extremely censored in this whole thing. the states doesn't care if bin laden is dead or alive when they get him. and putting him in jail in the USA wouldn't do any good. honestly. his followers would just do something else as a "free bin laden or else..." plee. bin laden is a hypocrite. just like hitler was. it's the honest truth. and then hiding behind religion on top of it - a lame excuse. if you ask me the taliban should really take a look at who they're supporting and hiding. for all the things they are supposed to be against - don't you all think they're protecting the wrong man?
bin laden shoved his foot in his mouth anyway. when he stated it wasn't over and there would be more attacks.
that is all i can say for now. i'm trying to stay out of this...but it's getting very hard.
hypnaughtika
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I agree that Bin Laden needs to be taken care of, but do we really have to stoop down to his level in order to do so? Killing him will just make him a martyr. We need to bring him back to America and let him rot in jail so his followers can see how much power he really has. As for history repeating itself you couldn't be more right. We probably gave Bin Laden as many warnings as we gave Hitler. Yet surprise surprise he decided to see just how far he could take things. What else do you expect to come from him. If we really wanted to avoid this we could've. Why didn't America do anything when he bombed our embassy or the other world trade tower years ago. We allowed the growth of his suicide schools and his following. We are as much to blame for this mess since we let him get away with so much. We just gave him a warning and said that's bad please don't do it again. If we really wanted to get him we could, he has been one of the most visible people in the the media these past years yet we've never bothered. We basically said that it's ok for him to kill a few dozen people just no more than that. Even now we aren't going after him! I'm glad that these bombings are making everyone feel better. Because they aren't achieving anything. They aren't targeted at anyone.(Not that I want them to be!) We're just dropping bombs all over the place to show that we are americans and that we have bombs. If you actually believe we are going to solve this problem by dropping a few random bombs than you are as brainwashed as Bin Laden's followers. The only thing we are doing by dropping these bombs is flexing our muscle and proving to world how "strong" we are. By the way, whoever said we this is being done for our freedom thanks for the laugh, I needed one today. Haven't you noticed all the censorship that has sprung up all of the sudden, or what about all of the muslims in our country who are being harassed, is that what you call freedom? Why even on this speakout people are giving Aimee crap for wearing an anarchy necklace. God forbid anyone have a different idea. Aimee's showing what a strong person she really is. She isn't afraid to hide what she believes, unlike the majority of americans. Our freedom has never been in as much jeopardy as it is right now. In this past month all of our progress from the past 20 years or so has been erased, and the most disgusting thing is that no one cares! We are putting our blind faith in our government and when this little problem is solved we're going to be sorry we did so.
Jennifer
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Did anyone go to manson???- it was bad ass- i had such a wonderful time- thanks ry-
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Okay. Put it this way. I am not disagreeing that Bin Laden is a despicable man. I think everyone agrees on that.
BUT
1) There is not one arguement the west are using to bomb afghanistan that could not be reversed and used to justify Bin Laden's attacks. It all boils down to "We're right and you're wrong". NO PROOF HAS BEEN RELEASED TO SAY BIN LADEN DID ANYTHING. The Us trained Bin laden to help attack the russians during the cold war, they touted him as a "freedom fighter", now he seems to have revolted, they aren't so happy. Funny that isn't it? As for Afghani weapons, do you really the the US doesn't have 1000 times the capability? and just as many religious fanatics? Only they're christian, so it's okay. There is no reason to bomb iraq, other than Georgie boy felt like it. The US sanctions on Iraq have killed 5% of the population (I think that's the figure), which, when translated to the population of the US, makes 14 million deaths. I am not disagreeing that the attacks were disgusting, and punishment should follow, but bombing afghanistan will make things worse. Yes, let's blame the "Tree hugging" mentality. Never mind the US companies that have been selling the fucking weapons to the middle east for years. They have nothing to fucking do with it do they! Brainwashing kids...let's see......oh yeah, I forgot, the west doesn't do that, they just have churches. If they wanted to kill Bin laden, they could do so. I crack team, send in the assassins. Instead, they go for bombs. It gets them publicity, support, allows the Military to justify increased funding, and helps convey the All controlling image the West wants to convey. There's been a report here in the UK that a top spin doctor has suggested the government use this catastrpohe to get rid of any Bad news (Affairs, Drug scandals etc) because no one will care right now. I get scared that people are stupid enough to fall for that kind of ruse.

Anyway, go check out MichaelMoore.com as he conveys a point far better than me.
Metal Malcolm
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And to Jennifer real quick. You say that we insist on using violence to work this out? Well of course! These people aren't going to sit down and talk. History repeats itself, and Bin Laden was a Hitler in early stages. America sat down with Hitler as did other political leaders of the world trying to work things out and on 5 major occasions where Hitler said "ok, ok, peace, yeah" he didn't change a thing. War is not ideal, but it is reality. Peace does not exist, it is a concept. I treat everybody with respect, but saying in any way that the attacks that we are doing to them are bad, well that is sick. You have no idea the thousands upon thousands of people who have died in wars to protect your freedom and democracy.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN USA -

And a couple other small points. 1) America has given Afghanistan more medical, food and money support over the past 10 years then any Middle Eastern country, and that includes more then Israel. 2)America has been dropping tons and tons of food there for years but Bin Ladens troops get to it first and then distripute it as if they got it for them. 3)America is dropping more food etc... In Afghanistan now then in any other millitary operation ever. But Bin Laden being the master liar that he is, is going on their press saying to Not go near the American food because it is really fill with bombs because America hates you.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN 56601 -

With all that disagree with America's attacks on Afghanistan then I think you should get on a plain and join the people over there. See what their culture is really about. You don't get it, thes U.S. millitary strikes are going to save your life. These terrorists are a fanatic group, an off-shoot of Islam that have nothing to do with Islam but their own agenda against anything not like them. Anybody who thinks the hype is real is easily brainwashed. Bin Laden is using the oldest tricks in the book but luckily this time around 92% of the American people are for the attacks. Everything Bin Laden is saying is fake, hype, disinformation. Little facts: 1.)Suicide Schools - The Afghan goverment started years back what are now being dubbed suicide schools. The teach children to kill americans at any cost no matter if it is a child or a president and to kill themselves to do this. 2.) Another thing off the schools are children's programming, which looks like Barney excpet half way through the crap being fed to the kids the children get to stand up and tell why they think killing themselves is a good idea. 3.)They bombed us in case you didn't know! And they will not stop. Each person who was on the plains had "packets" from Bin Laden stating what to do up till the last second. The money that these terrorists got from ATM machines has been traced back to Bin Laden bank accounts. 4.) Not only are the children brainwashed but so are the adults. Did you know that the men in these training camps and the men in those plains were told that when they die there will be 50 virgins waiting for them? 5.) This government is supporting attacks against the US at any cost and hide behind religion. Not only Afghanistan but it is becoming more evident every day that Iraq helped as well. They are spending more money then you can imagine on developing chemical and biological weapons. With today's new information about Anthrax in Florida you should be worried about this. 6.) Did you know that some of the chemicals that they have been developing are so strong that you could touch the screen in front of you with our index finger and 5 minutes later be dead because you just suffocated to death. In closing the tree hugger, 1960's mentality let this happen. We have spent so much time playing "Peace" that while we were doing nothing they were planning these attacks. Peace does NOT solve everything. If you think it does then you live in a fiction based world. It doesn't work like that. It hasn't since the beginning of tie. If we don't take them out and by them I mean "ALL" of their government and "ALL" terrorists and those who support them, then it could be your town attacked next. And to all that think we are just killing whoever, well you are wrong. We are getting milllitary targets, all their camps, power for millitary communication, airports, tanks etc... So that when we send in ground troops to get the individuals all their big "guns" so to say are gone. Plus don't forget that Afghan people are in on this as well. The northern alliance is on the outskirts of major cities waiting to take over, these are Afghan people who are against the perverted Islam group. This needs to happen. I think it is really sad that 7,000 of your fellow citizens can die and you are more worried about the country who did it.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN 56601 -

KT, I fully understand what you're saying, and i'm not gonna argue.
I do however have one question. All I keep hearing over here is about the "War against Terrorism", and how we must "Fight the evil Terrorists". This is a genuine question. Can anyone define a Terrorist for me? Or Terrorism as a whole? That's all. I await your responses.

Oh, and go check out queenadreena.co.uk. Free download! And anyone in Nottingham, come see my gig tonight! 8:30 at the Ark
Metal Malcolm
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yeah, I was wondering why Echo signed my concert stub with an anarchy before her name, it does kinda sound cool you know anarcy echo. But I don't think it's a very good idea with war on our doorstep, maybe anarchy would work if the entire world was an anarchy, but then you would have to believe in the basic underlying good in all people, which is something I believe in, but I don't think that we can go back to that after we've had government in place for so long. People have grown accustomed to having rules set for them. Anyways I'm just talking out of my ass. So Aimee, if you find a spare moment, could you set me straight as to exactly why you hold the sign for anarchy so close to your heart.
Jake <curlykingcobra@hotmail.com>
Ham lake, MN -

hey mat, aimee told me about you last night, the fact that she has an intelligent response to your inquiry might scare you :-)
RiCki
Ricki <shinedownunshy@hotmail.com>
houston, tx -

fight the war, fuck the norm
june <june@gurlmail.com>
orange, ca usa -

I just have to remind all of you that the war we are waging is not against Bin Laden, but against terrorism as a whole. If we just go and kill Bin Laden, where does that put us in the eyes of the rest of the world? Americans, people that only work for the good of themselves, and don't truely care about other cultures which have undergone terrorism for decades. Or the Isrielites, who have been the subject of many attempts at genocide, ever since Jesus walked the earth, maybe even before that. Well I'm just saying that this war will most likely not be over by the end of Bushes 4 year term if it sticks to it's promise of wiping terrorism from the entire world. Of course I don't want to see any bloodshed, I'm not a hawk, or a dove. I simply feel that we must give Bush credit where it's deserved, and let him know if we are behind him. I also acted very cautioulsly, and it was a very wise decision, because then we know that everybody who died, or almost everybody who died, was somebody that would have if they had the chance crashed into the WTC as well. Theese are just my thoughts, and if you have a problem with them, I'm sorry. but once again feel free to e-mail me or respond to my message.
Jake <curlykingcobra@hotmail.com>
Ham Lake, MN Anoka -

Hey, last night i saw THE START and Aimee was wearing an anarchy sign on her neck. IT made me mad and I asked her about it after the show but I couldnt stay and talk to her about it. I would like for her to e-mail me so we could talk. I am sorry if i was rude I was just upset, but i really ant to talk so if it isnt to much to ask e-mail me back aimee!! My e-mail is uvula83@hotmail.com
Mat <uvula83@hotmail.com>
texas city, tx USA -

I don't agree with the attacks either but you can't hold Bush responsible. He's just carrying out the will of the American people. They want revenge and they want to see Bin Laden gone. We're lucky that Bush is thinking things through so much. Others would've gone straight to Afghanistan the day after the attacks and wiped everything and everyone out. As sick as this whole mess makes me and much as I am against the attacks, I feel that if the government and the people of America insist on handle this matter with violence they are doing the best possible job that they can.
Jennifer
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belated birthday wishes out to jeff!
everyone else - hope things are well.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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no man, you dont understand. i'm so tired of ahting the government. i know they fuck up and i know they arent perfect but think i'm gonna tough this one out with Bush just so he can get this thing done; he says he's devoting his term to wiping scum from the earth? well shit. go for it. this attack is proof of just how surgical it's going to be. there were absolute minimal civilian casualties---if ANY at all, if anybody want to get all semantic over the whole thing. we waited a month to retaliate; this should tell us that they're trying really hard not to fuck this one up, theyre trying really hard to avoid another vietnam or whatever. i'm just going to sit back and watch it all.
kt
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I don't know what it's like over there, but I'm glad that here we at least get some news reports that are less than supportive. I've realised over the past few days how much of a pacifist I am. I can't justify these attacks in any way, and if all out war occurs, I'm not gonna be blaming Osama Bin Laden for any more eaths, it's gonna be Bush i'm holding responsible.
KT, keep watching the news man. Far better that than basing your opinions on hearsay. Just make sure you listen to Bill Hicks to keep yourself balanced.

Oh, and happy birthday Jeff.
Metal Malcolm
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please please please get some guitar tabs up on this site
Sancho <darkknight_219@yahoo.com>
Canada -

I think a lot of us are dealing with that same problem right now. I know I sure am.
Jennifer
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and no i cannot just STOP
kt
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come dancing along the rims of those fantastic cruise missiles, my friends, and ride them with the proverbial me all the way to the three-square inch target margin which rests upon any number of dried out old mud huts. i see this man everywhere i look now: old and red, maybe 70, with dark withered leathery skin, white hair and cataract-patched eyes staring out into, draped in long white garb and a brown turban, crouched on his sandaled feet with his arms crossed on his knees, fingers extending and retracting, rocking back and forth on the pivot of his old ankles. he rocks on a lot of things--- park benches, building ledges curbsides, mostly; his image was lifted from a grainy CNN film and funneled through the recesses of my sleeping imagination during a 7-hour long binge. these binges are more frequent, increasing in duraion with every one, and show no sign of slowing; i will sit and watch CNN, CNN Headline, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNBC. when it comes to that time of day, i switch it over to local network feeds of the CBS and ABC international news coverage. i can't get any of this out of my system, i need an IV anywhere i go (usually in the form of NPR news coverage in a hand-held radio) and ingest every second of it all with a ferocity unmatched by anything in recent years. its starting to get to me.
kt <limpandstutter@hotmail.com>
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i meant has- not had- lol!
-erika
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it had begun not only with the US- but also in my house...grr! how many of you hate having older brothers or sisters? i sure do- ouch!
-erika
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it has begun
kidneythief
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PS: HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY JEFF!!!
Lorie Yet Again...
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Well then, I did not get tickets to Family Values in Anaheim since I'm what you called TRANSPORTATION IMPAIRED and people suckass so I can't get a ride to freakin' Anaheim nor anywhere... Since I thought that they were gonna do the Forum that I can actually take the bus from the Westside to the 'hood at the end of November and that show got cancelled or something... Well, I can wait until Deadsy do another show in ACTUAL LA/LA COUNTY. Even though I love Deadsy a lot ha ha ha ha... Oh well...I thought I come in and post something for once since I haven't posted in a billion lite years...
Lorie <DiabloPixie@AOL.COM>
Los Angeles, CA 90034 -

yay..i finally got the anaheim tix for fv...i got section 412 though...damn...its still cool...who else is going to this show?
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

I hope theSTART play the NJ Faimly Values show.They have the date of October 24th open on their touring schedule hope they stop by!
Joey
USA -

so who's going to the anaheim fv show?? Dammit...i bought that 10 dollar presale thingy....and all the floor seats are taken...eh i just wont go....or i'll try to get seats from ebay.
ellen <fiendfeme@hotmail.com>
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oh yeah!! i almost forgot!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY JEFF! keep rocking dude! <3
Tap <tap@sugarray.com>
Harrisburg, PA USA -

happy birthday jeff, happy birthday jeff! i was wondering, they re-scheduled the date for the cox arena in san diego...is theSTART going to play? it's november 20, a tuesday..
-erika
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I just read on the other site that it's Jeff's birthday on the 6th (it's the 6th over here at the moment) so HAPPY BIRTHDAY JEFF!! woooo.. Have fun on the rest of the tour!! Laura xoxox
lauRa
oz -

Joey- I'm glad someone else understood my frustration! FVT has been redeemed though. They're changing just about all of the dates and luckily they added a new date for Phoenix. Maybe they'll add a new date for NY too. I swear to god FVT is the most disorganized tour I have ever seen!
Jennifer
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Hey...does anyone know if there are any plans for the cover of Breed to get released? Or if someone happens to have stumbled across a recording?

In other notes, I need advice on the new site i'm making for the band, so if people don't mind, will they go see? Thanks a lot. Oh, and I read in the paper that Gary Condit is on a special comission about the Bin Laden situation. Anyone else find that hilarious?
Metal Malcolm <metalmalcolm@hotmail.com>
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Saw the play twice in one week. Once in the Spectrum before weezer, who they upstaged. Then they played a tiny little show in a town near me, Telford. They really are great at tiny venues. I met them. They are super nice. Aimee tickled me and signed my checkered shoe. I brought them a big bag of candy. I am in love with this band. God bless THE START. MY friend KAte and I started a band after being inspired by the amazing music we heard at the shows, and by their incredible performance of the music. I now join you kids in appreciation of this the best band ever.
Mickey <saddermickey>
Perkasie, PA USA -

Bad Girls Go To Hell are looking for your gig and album reviews! If you're interested in having them slapped up on the site, mail us!
Bronagh <bronagh@deaddesire.org>
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So Arizona is having the Nassua Colliseum problem first FVT was olaying in Ny and now it isn't.Long Island dosen't get much shit over here except for faimly values every year and now it isn't coming!And also britney,backstreet,and nsync can't stop coming here also!
Joey
USA -

Hey I'm a very new fan of the Starts, I just saw them in concert on september 20th in MN playing with Weezer, a band I love, but I think that the Start which opened for Weezer and Cold were the best part of the show. Anyways I got a hug from Aimee or Echo, and I bought their cd then next day, I've been in love with the band ever since I saw them in concert, which isn't that long, but if you're ever riding in my car you can guess what you'll hear. The Start. Well anyways I was just letting you all know that I'm here now, and another adoring fan of their music. Feel free to e-mail me because I currently am training to be a nurse, and it's a very difficult major, so I might not be able to read everything that's put on here. anyways I think my e-mail address will show up here, but in case it doesn't it's curlykingcobra@hotmail.com thank you all for loving the start.
Jake Peloquin <curlykingcobra@hotmail.com>
Ham lake, MN Anoka -

Hello - Any London people out there... Garbage are playing an unadvertised/secret show at the Astoria on 14th November. Tickets are on sale now.
Fiona
London, UK -

I just want to thank the band for a wonderful show lastnight, Aimee! thanks again for the dedication and letting eno out for us! amazing, simply amazing.
natalie
ny -

Tap- yr welcome..ppl are really nice on this board, but the roots ya begin w/are sometimes always the best, ya know? but change is really good! RYAN- not only would you be the one that would be pleased if theSTART and Garbage did a tour together, and you know what i mean..lol! Shirley is so wonderful, imagine a garbage and theSTART song...hmmm- one could only dream! JEnJEn- hope yr neck is better..lol! don't kill her, just leave her neck like that- how are things out in the UK?
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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I understand your ride situation Linds, I was going to take the bus. However Family Values may not be coming to Phoenix now. A couple of weeks ago they posted the Phoenix date on their website but now they are saying that the date isn't set in stone and they might not come. I'm going to be so pissed if they don't play here! I paid $10 to buy presale tickets and now they've changed their mind!!! (I know $10 doesn't sound like much but to a college student it is) Why doesn't anyone ever come to Arizona?! Ozzfest, U2, Bush, Green Day, Incubus w/theSTART, and Weezer w/theSTART did not come visit the poor deprived citizens of Arizona. And now Family Values is going to pass us by! I want to see Deadsy dammit!! N'SYNC, Backstreet Boys, and Britney Spears will come three fucking times a year, so why won't anyone else! What did Arizona ever do to the music world. Those of you who live in L.A. are so damn lucky.
Jennifer
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erika- things are MUCH better on the other board!! thanks!! i was getting ready to leave and never come back for a little there but i feel much more accepted now! so how is everyone out there in START-land??? i'm still crossing my fingers for a show in Baltimore at the end of the month!!! i'm really itching to see the band again!! i heard they did a show somewhere in between Allentown and Philly on Sunday... just great. haha. i actually DROVE from Allentown TO Philly on Sunday!! ugh! oh well... i just have bad timing i guess!! ok, well, later! ~Tap!
Tap <oneireland@yahoo.com>
Harrisburg, PA USA -

malcolm, yeah i'm complaining i have to work with this thing on my neck and its not pretty, its actually fading quite well now, theres only a little mark left, i'll kill her if she does it again!

and mate i'll go one better i'll fone you later love!
jen jen
manchester, uk -

It's now 1220a on Tuesday morning- I just got back from buying the new Garbage album-- shall I say how much I love Shirley Manson grrrr--- I would love it if theSTART toured with Garbage--- I think that would be just a sensuous overload. If you know what I mean....
Ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
Anaheim, Ca USA -

hey tap- how are things on the other site?
-erika
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Nevel- hey! i'm from Harrisburg but i was just in Bethlehem this weekend for the Celtic Classic!! i'd LOVE it if they played Lehigh!! Jenifer- well, i didn't get to meet CC. my friend did though... i was off meeting Bret Michaels instead. hehehehe. i guess that's it for now... later. ~Tap!
Tap <oneireland@yahoo.com>
Harrisburg, PA USA -

Apex Theory is having a video shoot more info go to www.apextheory.com click on the message board. ~Emily
Emily
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heh, I gathered that :))) And yes, that would be grand!! Cross your fingers, heh
Amy
Oz -

Hopefully we'll see something come of this in the future! By the way, I'm jlea on the Tweaker forum.
Jennifer
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It was indeed quite exciting!! I also wrote down Aimee as a person to collabprate with... that would be absolutly awesome!!!!!!!! (i am orko on the tweaker forum)
Amy <nemesis80@lycos.com>
Oz -

I just read that on the Tweaker forum too! Wasn't it exciting! I'd absolutely LOVE to see them collaborate. It was so cool to find out that people over there like theSTART! When I first put down Aimee Echo as someone I'd like to see Chris work with I didn't think anyone would agree with me. It was great to find out that others on that forum are fans of Aimee and her work.
Jennifer
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Chris Vrenna (tweaker) likes theSTART!! (from tweaker.net forum) Chris Vrenna Administrator From: Los Angeles Registered: September 18, 2001 Posts: 17 Future singers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone..... This is a great thread. I've actually been thinking about the next record a bit, and some of those names are names I've thought about as well. It'll all depend on the theme the next record takes. I'm glad you guys are Aimee Echo fans! She's a good friend of mine, and the Start CD is awesome. Oh, and the story about Dolly Parton that Wax told is true..so funny...
Amy <nemesis80@lycos.com>
Oz -

hey look! http://www.internettrash.com/users/drain/aimjamie.jpg
maria <sparks_1@hotmail.com>
covina, ca usa -

somebody give saira shah a goddamn pulitzer...RIGHT NOW. if you all don't know who she is already, look her up
kt
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malcolm: are you still using msn?? we need to catch up and have a chat.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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despite the freeeeeeeezing weather theSTART were great at the NY show @ jones beach (the fact that the stage is literally in the water also contributed to the coldness...wind factor & all). Ok i was doing some random web surfing, and i came across some kid posting a msg somewhere sayin that Aimee was on the show "street smarts". anyone know ne thing about this?? here is the addy http://users4.cgiforme.com/thewasteground/messages/6.html
natalie
ny -

hey alex i was about to go to that show with my friend bako...but he couldn't be able to go so i didn't want to go...glad ya had fun.
ellen <fiendfeme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

I apologize for my fit of rage on that kid who knocked Aimee and the start. But that was not why this speak out is here.. later
Stephen <funkism7@hotmail>
Dnever, Co -

I thought Durst's statement was hilarious especially since a couple of weeks ago he announced that the new Limp Bizkit cd was a fuck off to all of the Limp Bizkit haters. I wonder what he's going to do with the cd now that he's a "kind and loving" person.
Jennifer
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Did anyone go see hed at the HOB tonight? One word: thatwasbyfarthebestIhaveeverseenthemplay.
Lex
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My remark to the quote I posted below was to be taken as complete sarcasm. Sorry if it didn't sound that way.
Lex
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did you all see durts's statement on ending all the grudges and hate? i agree with him to the fullest; always kinda thought he was an ass anyway but im wondering now what it is he's going to write about
kt
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In a recent post on the bands official website www.limpbizkit.com, frontman Fred Durst announced that their impending remix album, which is currently due out on November 20th through Flip/Interscope, will be titled "Limp Remizkit."------Well, at least I give him credit for being original.
Lex
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WOW is all I can say about your band! I went to the Philly show on Wednesday and it was just totally incredible. Too bad the rest of the audience wasnt dancing as well. I just ran out to get your album and I am just soo impressed with your music. I have to say that I can't wait for you to come back to the east coaqst again!!!! Good Stuff and Keep on Dancing!! By the way how much do you book for, because I work with my college's Production company and was wondering if we might be able to get a press package that i can give to the higher ups. Then maybe you can come play at Lehigh University!
Nevel <man2@lehigh.edu>
Bethlehem, PA US -

Hey everyone. I just thought I'd sign this book thing to comment on how much I like this band. I have been home sick all day long and downloading some songs. :) Yeah... I wish I had some orginal and interesting to say... Umm... I'm updating my site... yeah, if anyone is bored or something, check that out.
Sammi <Sk8rSammi@hotmail.com>
Blackwood, NJ USA -

"Received this information from a friend who works for development strategies company of St. Louis., Noemi Weil. Some good news from all of this: By now everyone has been hearing the dealth toll rise and reports of the destruction from the terrorist attacks on the US. These were deplorable acts that we will never forget. But now is a time to look at the other side of the numbers coming out of New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. The sad but somewhat uplifting side that the mainstream media has not reported, yet, the SURVIVAL rates and some positive news about the attacks. ***THE BUILDINGS*** The twin towers of the World Trade Center were places of employment for some 50,000 people. With the missing list of just over 5,000 people, that means 90% of the people targeted survived the attack. A 90% on a test is an "A". ***THE PENTAGON*** Some 23,000 people were the target of a third plane aimed at the Pentagon. The latest count shows that only 123 lost their lives. That is an amazing 99.5% survival rate. In addition, the plane seems to have come in too low, too early to affect a large portion of the building. On top of that, the section that was hit was the first of five sections to undergo renovations that would help protect the Pentagon from terrorist attacks. It had recently completed straightening and blast proofing, saving untold lives. This attack was sad, but a statistical failure. ***THE PLANES*** This Boeing 757 that was flown into the outside of the Pentagon could have carried up to 289 people, yet only 64 were aboard. Luckily 78% of the seats were empty. American Airlines Flight 11- This Boeing 757 could have had up to 351 people aboard, but only carried 92. Thankfully, 74% of the seats were unfilled. United Airlines Flight 175, Another Boeing 757 that could have sat 351 people aboard, but only had 65 people on board. Fortunately it was 81 % empty. United Airlines Flight 93. This Boeing 757 was one of the most uplifting stories yet. The smallest flight to be hijacked with only 45 people aboard out of a possible 289 had 84% of its capacity unused. Yet these people stood up to the attackers and thwarted a fourth attempted destruction of a national landmark, saving untold numbers of lives in the process. ***In Summary*** Out of potentially 74,280 Americans directly targeted by these inept cowards, 93% survived or avoided the attacks. That's a higher survival rate than heart attacks, breast cancer, kidney transplants and liver transplants - all common, survivable illnesses. The Hijacked planes were mostly empty, the Pentagon was hit at it's strongest point, the overwhelming majority of people in the World Trade Center buildings escaped, and a handful of passengers gave the ultimate sacrifice to save even more lives. Pass this information on to those in fear and the media. Don't fear these terrorists. The odds are against them. This was submitted by Joe Vela, Shriners Hospital for Children in Houston. Evelyn Mertens"
kt
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Can you get to Telford, PA? Because they are playing Telford Borough Hall on Sunday 9-30!
~human
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haven't been here in ages.. i'm at college in philly now and i was forced to miss theSTART's stint here. NOW they play a show in asbury park?! when i can't get there?! egh. i will see them again, yes i will...
stefanie
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So Jen, let me get this straight...you've got a massive mark on your neck.....and you're complaining? Jeez..some people...I dunno....anyways, Mail me, I might be coming up to Manchester.
Oh, and two things for people to read. one at http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n922/a09.html which is terrifying, and one at http://www.angelfire.com/mt/mrtfightsspaceghost which is terrifying for a whole different reason.......

Ahhhh, i'm so glad to have the net back.....
Metal Malcolm
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hello!!! not posted on here for ages! hows you all? hope you are all well, i'm not, i've got a cold, which is a bastard! i also have a massive shagbite on my neck of my girlfriend! does anyone know how to get rid of them, tried toothpaste and make-up neither worked! suggestions please!!!
jen jen <freaky_one_uk@yahoo.co.uk>
manchester, uk -

Yeah?......well......:op to you to! ;o)
Twas a tiny review in the issue with AAF on the cover. I don't get Kerrang much, but somehow there's always something I need in there. It made me laugh. They'd been going on about the therapy? album for a while, and what does it merit? 1 paragraph. Like you can tell so much about an album from that..
Oh, by the way, my band has a new website if anyone's interested. Click on me name and stuff.

Ta...malcs
Metal Malcolm
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I didn't miss you Malcolm. ;-p What issue was the review in? I haven't bought Kerrapp! in ages!
Bronagh <bronagh@deaddesire.org>
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yep i'm gonna be at the anaheim show too..yay...can't wait to meet you guys.
ellen
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I just bought Shakedown for myself as a half-birthday present two weeks ago, and it hasn't left my car stereo since! I love it! I'm ashamed to admit I had never heard of TheSTART before last month, and I've never heard of the band member's previous bands, either. Late bloomer! When are you guys coming to DC? (If I've already missed it, you're just gonna have to come back, because I wasn't there that time.) :-)
Tifney <jujioux@juno.com>
Culpeper, VA -

I saw u at the spectrum with weezer last night, U were freakin awsome. I'm gonna buy ur CD today, u kick ass! ~misi
misi <spiderwebsND30@aol.com>
Doylestown, PA USA -

i saw theSTART last night at the Spectrum in Philly with weezer, and i just wanna say thanks to the band because when i met them afterwards they were so cool and took time to sign my cd and talk a little. aimee is the greatest!! thanks yall ~natt<3
Natalie <nightmarenatt@worldnet.att.net>
Philly, PA -

Hmm well I actually plan on going to both the Phoenix show and the show in Anaheim (JUSTTTTTTTTT to watch my lovely Jen in action. You go girl, promot the living FUCK outta Deadsy! We know they deserve it. And I'd love to see you jump Carlton's bones, baybee!). I am going to still be living in Arizona by the time the PHX show rolls around, so if I can get a ride I would fucking LOVE to go. But my dad is a lazy bastard. And Cottonwood (ohhhhh this has got to be the most depressing town in the world lol) is about an hour away from PHX (damn the man!). But by the time the show(s) in Cali come around, I will be living there again...unless my dad wants me to stay till AFTER Thanksgiving. Grrrrr. Anyways that is my little situation. I'm off.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

i'll be there too, we should make a heretic day and stuff-hehehe.
-erika
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love you too linds!!
Jen
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I'll be at the Anaheim show for family values, anyone else going to this one??
Jen
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Tap- thanks for that CC story that you posted the other day. You're so lucky to have met him! I had a very bad day yesterday and your story really cheered me up. I kept imagining him saying all that stuff in his funny little voice and I couldn't stop laughing. It was the first time I had laughed all day so I really appreciated it. Thanks!
Jennifer
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I can't wait for family values!!! I'm really excited because I'll get to see Deadsy for the first time. Are you going to the show in Phoenix Linds?
Jennifer
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hey guys. i've been hanging around on the new board but thought i'd see what was shaking on this one. i hate that some weezer fans are being jack asses. i'm not a huge weezer fan but some of their songs are alright. i never really thought it'd be too exiciting to see them in concert though. dancing is the best part of a show. that's why i love the START... i feel band for Cold cause i'm sure they were trying really hard and stufff and people just have to be obnoxious. i'm sad cause the START is in philly tonight and i'm not! ugh! week nights SUCK!!! haha. i miss all those kids. hopefully next month! if that Baltimore show that Aimee told me about gets scheduled! PLEASE! haha. no i'm not desperate. no not at all... alright. i'm bored. i think my blood sugar's low. ok bye. ~Tap!
Tap <tap@sugarray.com>
Harrisburg, PA USA -

LOL ya Family Values is going to be awesome this year!! ajkshajkhs I am so excited! Especially since Jen is going to be the main person that's promoting Deadsy at that show. lol way to go Jen! <3 you
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

Hey who's going to family values this year? its gonna be great, deadsy is doing it!!
Jen
CA -

bronagh: your time will come. and it will be well worth the wait. trust me!
kara: i've emailed you. and yes i remember you! you've got to come back down for the october show. hehe.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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Huh..."My MAN!"....thaths funny... :o)
Metal Malcolm
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Wow. I've never been missed before on a board... I get the phone connected in my new house tomorrow, and I can finally get on the PC's at uni today, but I've a lot of catching up to do. Anyways. Adam was it? mr rapmusic.com? You're a dork.

As for cold, while not impressed with the last LP, the debut is still fantastic, and I'll withhold judgement. Oh, and Shakedown got reviewed in Kerrang and is getting some advertising as an import album. It got a reasonably good review, but they slagged off HWP (Horror!) and only gave it 3K's (Double Horror!). So they deserve a slap. That is all. Oh, and everyone buy the new Therapy? album......
Metal Malcolm <metalmalcolm@hotmail.com>
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TigerX- I'm glad that you found the cd!
Jennifer
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Hypnaughtika. You were at the Weezer/theSTART show Monday night right? I met you and didn't even realize it. Actually I'm not even sure if you'll remember me from way back when. I used to go on My Ruin's old board as 'blackiris'. And I was the one with red streaks last night. Anyways, the show last night was fucking amazing. I'm so fucking glad that I finally got to meet Aimee and company, after years of being obsessed with HWP, and the past couple of years with theSTART. Trying to come back down to Toronto for their next show. Most likely will happen! Yay!
Kara <temporarilyattached@hotmail.com>
Ottawa, ON Canada -

Jennifer- I found it on buy.com. Thanks again for the info. As it seems to be the topic of conversation Ill add my 2 cents about Cold. I saw the concert in Salt Lake and I think it was just a bad situation all around. It was bad for the fans to start shouting for weezer in the middle of Cold's set. But Cold didn't exactly endear themselves either by repeatedly telling the crowd to "F*** you and F*** you too etc." They were a pretty good band, they just needed to play for a more heavy minded crowd. the lack of respect all around was pretty sad. ....at least the rest of the concert was fun.
TigerX
USA -

Its kinda funny on a message board that tells you you're free to speak your mind you're also told to shut up. I don't care who that shit ass band thanks, it doesn't change how dull and crappy they are. Sounds like every other moaning band that gets blared on the radio. yawn.
stupidpuppydogkittycat
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Oooh lucky you Hyp! I can't hold it against you, you've been waiting an AGE to see them too! Hehe. Oh when will my time come!?! <=\
Bronagh <bronagh@deaddesire.org>
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so what do you guys think of the new song from orgy...called "faces?" its on the zoolander soundtrack.
ellen <fiendfeme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

oh my gosh, its been a while since i've gotten on the internet, and the first thing i see (at the speakout! of course) is that cold dropped the tour??? I was looking foward to seeing them again. but the question still remains, did they get someone else to take their place? is the start playing a longer set??? if anyone knows, please let me know.

AIMEE, CHECK YR EMAIL!!!!!!! please!
natalie <nirvanavcv@aol.com>
yonkers, ny -

Amanda- e-mail me and tell me all about it....hope to hear from ya soon! love ya babe
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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theSTART......please play in our town....it's small so no fans will rip your clothes off or do anything like that!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

I had some bit of difficulty as well with the new speakout......T.H.O....Aimee Echo!@@ hope you get it......anyway like I'm all trying to start this benefit concert and it's all hard to get places and stuff.....I totally am going Cr@zy....oh well...peace out.....bye....GOD BLESS!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

Does anyone else experience technical difficulties when trying to post on the New Speakout?
Jennifer
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Now, i think it sucks that Cold is no longer on the tour, to think that they were getting booed pisses me off. now if you so graciously noticed on the inside of both of their (cold's) CD's they say thank you to Human Waste Project (1997) and Aimee Echo and theSTART (1999). Do not disgrace this band, they have great talent. And if you dont like then, shut your mouth. And by the way theSTART kick ass!
tyrant <creator@warsucks.com>
danville, ca usa -

well. i just got home from seeing theSTART. such an amazing performance. i had lots of fun. thanx for everything guys!
yeah - where is malcolm??
take care and byebyez.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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goddammit---where's Metal Malcolm? where's my MAN!?
kt
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to anyone who would dare: sprinkle some mexican-blend shredded cheese over leftover lo mein noodles and frap in the microwave for approximately one minute. be sure to let the cheese harden.
kt <limpandstutter@hotmail.com>
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I got 'Shakedown' on import last week and, although I was slightly scared at first (show me a Human Waste Project fan who wasn't?) it was that incredulous move to press repeat that's seen me discovering possibly the most exciting band in new music at the moment! If you're reading this Aimee you need to realise that my girlfriend & I are possibly you're biggest UK fans. By 'biggest' I mean that we totally adore you & rarely a week goes by without E-lux being played a few times. And get this - my girlfriend looks EXACTLY like you. I'm not joking - when we go out she puts her hair in soap-dreads, where's deep red lipstick and pink eye-shadow and the amount of people we fool into believing that she's Aimee Echo is unbelievable. One place gave us free drinks all night! Serious! Anyway, you're album rocks in a Duran-Duran jamming with Kate Bush/ young Madonna kinda way. Sweet!
matwreck <matwreck@hotmail.com>
Manchester, England -

I wept a tear when cold didn't play the weezer show I saw. A tear of joy, what a buncha crap. Then seeing weezer stand around like a buncha puppets, every little rock star detail polished, only one pinkerton song, no movement, and the feeling that it was how it must be to be at an n sync show. But the start, you are redeemed, Kicked all ass, bass player swung his bass like a yo yo, jumped eight feet in the air. Great voice, great guitar player, and great fills. Keep rockin, and don't let the audience stop you from playing from the heart unlike some rock bands I know.
stupidpuppydogkittycat
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hey does anybody go to the Warehouse music on sunset blvd in hollywood?? I went today and they were playing theStart's cd. I was like "wow" and started to sing along
Emily
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If anyone here is into electronic type music I suggest you check out Chris Vrenna's (formally of NIN fame) new band "Tweaker". His music is really great! It's not as good as theSTART's but it's still very good.
Jennifer
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Thanks Jennifer. :)
TigerX
USA (god bless it) -

Wow! I just saw you guy's at the weezer concert last night and was extremely impressed. I wasn't sure how much I would enjoy the concert concidering how much I dislike the relationship between weezer and their crazed fans but when you guys came out I knew I was going to have a good time. It's really weird too, because the way your line up is set up with a girl singer, a bass player, drums, and a guitar player who also plays keyboard is exactly the same as my band! I play guitar and keyboards even though I don't really know how to play keyboards. Very inspiring show. Thanks.
Ry@n <rc_285@yahoo.com>
St. Johns, MI U.S.A. -

"spirit moves through all things."
~puke~ <puke@angelabyss.com>
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i love you guys so much and I love your new album! It kicks ass! Aimee you have such a good talent of singing and when I listen to your songs, it's so emotional for me. Keep up the good albums guys......because you have undying talent!!!!
cindy scheibe <cs_sliver420@yahoo.com>
arlington heights, IL usa -

I saw it at either cdnow.com or amazon.com I'm not sure which one.
Jennifer
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I posted a little while ago and I am still trying to find a place that sells the new album. Does anyone know a place online that sells it? At anyrate, enjoy music. It soothes the soul and speaks in places that strain to hear it. :)
TigerX
USA (god bless it) -

I saw The Start tonight opening for Weezer, and I must say that takes some true courage to open for Weezer, them and Cold were chosen for the job. And the night before tonights show, cold dropped out. They just up and quit the tour. So now The Start has all this weight upon them, with only one cd. They did it great. I usually don't like female lead singers, but she did sound very good. I now find out that I get see them AGAIN, and I didn't even know it. I bought some incubus tickets a week ago, and they are opening for incubus then! That is pretty cool. So I would like to say, that for the extremely hard job for opening up for a band like Weezer, The Start did an extremely good job. There may be some fans doing immature acts of ignorance when seeing an opening band they havn't heard of, which obviously discouraged the band Cold, and I think The Start will become somthing big. Just don't let obnoxious weezer or incubus fans get in the way. Good luck.
Lateralus <slicedrkr@hotmail.com>
Detroit MI, MI USA -

Stephen/Steve from Denver. I met you when you stopped me and Aimee on the way back to the bus the other night. Everyone who met you thought you were really nice. Just thought I'd say hi and let you know.
Anne <xqiq@aol.com>
Denver, CO -

This tuesday im goin to see Weezer and theSTART. at first i REALLY wanted to see weezer now i want to see theSTART even more. I'll admit i had never heard of the band until i read they were playing w/ weezer. So i listened to them and i really like um. I kno a lot of people probobly say this but the lyrics to gorgeous like exactly describe somethin that happend to me a few nights ago. ya thats probobly happened to everyone w/ someone at sometime. ok thats all i have to say thanx for reading.
Tony <Dez531@aol.com>
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You're right Linds, I just got an e-mail saying that my note to Adam had been delayed.
Jennifer
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hi everybody...so yeah..........yeah.
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

you change one, you can change a thousand times. all those skins add up to a monumental edifice of tissue. every now and then though, it is nice to come back and dig through them all, try them all on again and dance around. you know, my friends, that they all do indeed retain that same warmth, to one extent or another. even to the same degree in celsius---for some reason, however, they seem a bit smaller, and stretch to fit. maybe it's because we've grown just that much, my friends, and our bodies can only comfortably accomodate the old for as long as it takes to absorb that sensation, that feeling you get when you smell the sweat of a younger you. a more naive you, rather. i wonder if anyone else sees the difference---maybe not so much in the aroma of their shed skins, but the resonation of their vocal chords, when you hold them up to your mouth, between your thumbs and blow...can you hear yourself calling back? can you remember what you were saying? how about what you saw? can you hold your old eyeballs up to a fidgety lamp like a glass marble and see through an older perspective? i sure can. but i prefer the smell of old skin; there's just something so rich about it, so full of memory and experience, like the rings of an old oak...i have yet to recieve these sensations from anyone else, or any acknowledgement that i am not the only one who is aware of that massive mound of old skin, and i sure as hell don't know anybody who enjoys dressing up in their old selves for a quick romp through the neghborhood, or a jog over the tops of the cynic's skulls everywhere.
kt
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Mine went through, too. Then like 2 days later I got an eMail back saying:
The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
So I dunno....hmm oh well. Hmm where's Miss Echo? I haven't heard from her in a while.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

I sent Adam a not so friendly e-mail and it went through. I don't know why yours didn't Linds.
Jennifer
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Mr. Adam didn't leave a real eMail address. I sent him an eMail and it got sent back to me. What a fuckin idiot...if you're going to post such STUPIDITY on this message board, then at least leave your fuckin eMail address.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

I say we all bombard that little bitch Adam's email, letting him know how ignorant that comment was!!! Sorry about the profanity, but he really pissed me off!!!!!! its little shits like that that have taken over the music industry, That's why we NEED to support bands like theSTART, call radio stations and request "Gorgeous" or whatever damn song you want... Something positive can come out of ignorance!!!!!!!!! just direct the anger you get from it!!!!! find the root!! lets turn this around, and let the evil seeds of ignorance, greed, and hate.. see their own reflection... what do you need to see your reflection???? LIGHT!! lets spred it!!!!!!!! and the next time you see theSTART DANCE!!!!!!!!! lets rise above this!! we are closer than you think!!!!!!!! ONE LOVE... Mpulzzz!
steve <funkism7@hotmail.com>
Denver, CO usa -

jean, and amanda....lol....i emailed you-please email me back...laters dolls
-erika
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Adam Sucks!!
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Life is boring. I want to be a part of theSTART; a new music revolution!
Brandon Crall <bmcrall@yahoo.com>
Troy, MI United States -

It's really sad that people like Adam have nothing better to do, than hunt down websites for bands that they don't like, and than write derogatory remarks on their boards. I don't give a damn if you like theSTART or not Adam, but please keep your comments to yourself. The only person your are hurting by making these remarks is yourself.
Jennifer
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AND ew, adam...you're an ass.
AMANDA <witchyxpoo@aol.com>
burbank, ca -

LOl erika was at my ruin last night?! ANOTHER show I didn't see erika at.. sheesh I swear, erika.. we are NEVER going to meet...lol xoxoxoxoxox
AMANDA <witchyxpoo@aol.com>
burbank, ca -

And what was a character with an e-mail address from "rapmusic.com" doing at a Weezer show, anyway??? I think there's something going on here...
Alex
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Adam prolly get the chicks. lol!!!!
Alex
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Hey ADAM, Two years ago, you were falling all over yourself to kiss the ass of anyone who played SKA. Now you're leaving nasty little messages on a music forum for those of us that like the band. Who are you? Well, I know: You are a 15 year old drummer in the high school marching band in Longment, CO. Wow!! Rock on Adam. With that background, you really know your stuff. You're REALLY cool!! With all the problems going on in this country, you still have time to be an asshole. CONGRATULATIONS! You win the Jerk Of The Week Award.
Bob
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just listened to most of the album "shakedown!" ... not as hard as HWP[one of my fav. bands] but still impressed. gonna have to give it a few more listens to see how much i like it . but definately am glad to hear echo's voice again :)
binarymind
md us -

erika? is this the erika i met tonite? lol. from ALL the shows? :) e-mail me if you get a chance..
jean <defgurl1@aol.com>
la, ca -

I had never heard of the start before I went to Weezer on Monday. I have to say that I was really impressed. Rock on!
Tiger X
USA -

yes, hcw-may that rotten guy burn in heck, and KARMA will comeback threefolds!!! KARMA baby! Did anyone go to MYRUIN tonight? God, TArrie never stops amazing me. SHe is so fucking talented....sorry for any typos, it's just really late, and I'm really tired! night night!
-erika
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well that was certainly a mean spirited rant- too bad what you put out there always comes back threefold... instant karma to that guy.
hcw
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The Start rocked in Denver tonight. To the band: don't take the dancing thing personally; I'd just assume that Weezer fans DON'T dance. You did a phenomenal job. I was extremely impressed by everyone's performance. Next time you're in Denver, I'll take you ALL jogging, and no one will get lost. Mad love to you all and good luck with the rest of the tour! -SLB
bulletproofvenus
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Okay, i saw you guys at the weezer concert last night in denver and you guys are awful. you have no musical talent. i can press a button and play electronic loops, but then again i dont have that hideous balding mullet that your guitar player has. i'm sure he's never been told he is an eye sore, so i'll tell him right now. you are ugly man. and you guys are going to go nowhere. this is the peak of your career. nobody could put a finger on what your bullshit music was. sorry, but you guys just piss me off. your lead singer sounds like she has a chronic case of throat cancer. the list goes on of how you guys are nobodies. Im gonna shakedown! outta this website! yea! cool dude. p.s. those are some insightful lyrics.
Adam <ak@rapmusic.com>
Denver, CO -

OMG...theSTART IS SO HOT! Oh baby. CAN YOU PLEASE PLAY AT MY PROM!?!?!?!? CAN I HAVE THE FIRST DANCE WITH YOU SCOTT??! Heh. lol lol. Juuuuuust kidding baybee's. Y'know I <3 you. Can't wait to see when that SD show is gunna be rescheduled.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

I just went to the NEW speakout to see if anyone had actually written anything intelligent there, and aside from erika's post, I was apauled by the crap that was on there. I think my favorite post was from incubus_girl (or something like that) It read, "Is it me or is Jeff Jaegar the hottest guy EVER!? I meen look at him! I LOVE YOU JEFF!!!!" It took me awhile to convince myself that N'SYNC hadn't recruited a new member named Jeff. It's sad that most of the people over there seem to care only about who's the hottest in the band, and not theSTARTS music! Don't get me wrong, everyone in the band is beautiful! But I wish that people would pay more attention to the art that they produced instead of the way that they look. Unfortunately the damn board wouldn't let me post so I couldn't reply to the I LOVE JEFF!!!! comment. But then again maybe it was for the best seeing as how I wasn't going to write anything very nice. I know I've done a lot of senseless whining here, but I'm just afraid that one of my favorite bands is going to be turned into the next N'SYNC by some stupid girls without a life!
Jennifer
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Thanks for the info Joey! I appreciate it, if you find out anything else please post it.
Jennifer
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It's nice to see people talking about Faimly Values Tour finally!I posted something about it over the summer and no one ever responded to it.The rumor going around is theSTART are doing a small stint on the Faimly Values tour this year at the end of October into November.The other rumor is that Orgy,Crazy Town,Cold,theSTART,Deadsy,two hit creeper,and the EX-Supermodels are going to be doing Faimly Values 2002.I would love to see that bill but I don't think that is going to happen because Korn said something about going back to the Faimly Values tour next year with Deftones,Spike 1000,Deadsy,and Adema.I will see the Start at Jones beach on the 29th if I meet them I'll ask them about it! P.S:Oct. 23rd Nassau Colliseum Uniondale,NY fAIMLY vALUES tOUR.I hope to see everyone there!
Joey <kornlimpdef6969@hotmail.com>
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i hope everyone is well. ok...does anyone have any info on MESSY????????? email me or post. thanks!
natalie <nirvanavcv@aol.com>
ny -

Does anyone know it theSTART is still going to be at Family Values?!
Jennifer
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I havent posted here in like forever.. and now especially since this happened ive been lookin gfor family members and friends.. for all of u who were affected by this im here to talk!!
laura <xBailarinax@aol.com>
New Ro, NY USA -

oops....I meant thanks Laura!...okaybye.
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

thanks......oz!....bye....GOD BLESS!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

I think all the email addy's changed when the domain name did.. try @thestart.org :)
lauRa
oz -

I tried e-mailing Ms. Echo too.....it too did not work....oh well........if she reads this "hello" from a fan who supports you all and bought your cd!...bye....GOD BLESS!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

Aimee. I tried emailing you, and it would not work. i tried every possible way to send it.. Is echo@thisisthestart.com the right address... Its very important.
mpluz <funkism7@hotmail.com>
Denver, Co U.S. -

Aimee. I tried emailing you, and it would not work. i tried every possible way to send it.. Is echo@thisisthestart.com the right address... Its very important
mpluz <funkism7@hotmail.com>
Denver, Co U.S. -

LOL...Marilyn Manson...i'll bet you he sure feels like an horses' ass right now...i mean...what will he ever have to bitch about, ever again?
kt
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Thanks Jenn and Linds!-----on another note- does anyone here want to buy a MANSON ticket, for oct.8? If you would like to, please e-mail me. Thanks a bunch-
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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The reason that you aren't allowed to give blood if you've recently aquired piercings or tatoos is becuase they say that like 80% of people who get tatoos and peircings end up with hepatitus. Supposedly it's a health risk, but I know plenty of people with tatoos and peircings who have never had hepatitus. I guess it's better to be on the safe side though. I wanted to give blood but they won't let me since I'm 2 months short of being 18. They ignore the fact that I'm living on my own and supporting myself! I was feeling pretty useless though so I'm glad that theSTART put up all those sites that told other ways in which we could help. I really appreciate that!
Jennifer
AZ -

T.H.O......better known at "Tity Hard On"......is it cold Apes?
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

You know, I'm not too sure why you can't donate blood if you've had tattoo's or piercings within the past 12 months. Maybe because the tattoo needles or piercing needles may or may not have been totally steralized? Maybe because the tattoo ink or metal from the piercing taints your blood for a while? I don't know. But it sucks for me cause I wanted to do something to help on a personal level like that, rather then just give money. But for now I guess I'll just stick with giving money...
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

I didn't know about the piercing or tattoos either, damn, now my brother nor friends are going to be able to donate blood...why is this Linds? I have no clue why they wouldn't allow it. seem strange, oh well! of course money will help, but there is such a shortage of blood. may we all be strong, and help deal with this tragic impact on many!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Damn, I didn't know about the piercing thing with giving blood. Well, needles scare me anyways, so I wasn't too keen on doing that, anywho. Now, I know I cant. Maybe I will make a donation. Did anyone see the people with the signs of who they were looking for on the news? Oh my god, that had to be one of the most depressings things I have ever seen. This girl lost her Dad...jesus, I honestly can't imagine the pain those people are going through. Think of all the families that are broken because of this.
Lex
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A very special, and uplifting message posted on the main page from theSTART. You guys are wonderful...and I hope you're all doing okay during this time of crisis. I wanted to give blood s0o0o0o bad, but you can't have been tattooed or pierced within the past 12 months, and I've been both. But I did give money to the Red Cross. I hope everyone does the same.When this first happened, I was in shock. Now that it's days later, I am completely devistated...hearing all those horrible stories. I hope all the heretics are staying strong through this tragedy. <3 you all.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

Nov. 23rd is the Family Values Tour at the Pond.
Alex
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man.............................I want to see the START.......this is stinky poo's. Oh well......just thought I'd say that one more time......it's okay..right Apes?.........oh well......hmmmmmmmm.....I feel like cheese!....bye....GOD BLESS! T.H.O....Totally Hard Nipples...ECHO, A.
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

man.............................I want to see the START.......this is stinky poo's. Oh well......just thought I'd say that one more time......it's okay..right Apes?.........oh well......hmmmmmmmm.....I feel like cheese!....bye....GOD BLESS! T.H.O.?
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

i just got this from ticketmaster---Due to the current situation, your event tonight has been postponed. We will do our best to email you information as soon as it becomes available to us. We also encourage you to check http://www.ticketmaster.com or the venue for updates on your specific event. We appreciate your patience and understanding.
-erika
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I'd just like to say that what happened in NY was so scary! and i send my deepest sympathy to all the people affected and i really hope that this does not lead to another damn war, my dad reckons it won't, just that they'll find whos responsible and bomb them! which is not good!

But whoever did this deserves what ever they get! there really was no need! and once again i send my love to all! love Jen xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jen Jen
Manchester, UK -

i meant NOW not know- thanks
-erika
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ATTENTION TO ANYONE GOING TO SEE theSTART TONIGHT(9/14)- the show has been postponed until further notice...here is the site in which it says it has been postponed-- http://ticketmaster.com/cgi/tba.idc?state=CA&submit=GO this is so sad, know we must let those bastards rot in hell, may they cut their cunts off and feed it to them-excuse me i'm just so mad....grr!(i needed to vent my frustration)
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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I've been in Nottingham since last Saturday, with NO TV, no net connection, and no way of staying in touch with what's happening except Radio. This is freaky. Hopefully no one who posts here suffered directy because of this.
I don't know, I worry about the US. It seems like war is inevitable, but all this shit in the papers just scares me. I don't know what to say.

I know this may be paranoid, but all the band members are okay aren't they? Just no posts from any of them....scares me a little....
Metal Malcolm
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Chris-Thanks for spreading the peace! I think all the heretics on the speak out who support the idea of peace should try to convince at least one person a day that peace is the answer. If we could touch just one person it would make such a difference. Come on everyone, let's RISE UP AND DANCE TO A DIFFERENT BEAT!!
Jennifer <ninfreak666@hotmail.com>
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hey Chris I was at the New Rock 104 Birthday Bash #6 too!....and I already knew who the START was then.....and we lost our friends so I missed like half their concert....but I did manage to get an autograph buy Aimee I didn't take an up close picture though :-( I'm so mad.....I got embarrassed....oh well......I know I will see them again!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

What we have experienced here is simply a tragedy.... but now that we know the pain that mass destruction can cause, why the hell would we want to bring that pain on others? Peace is the answer to our problems... (Well, that and theSTART, of course...) I saw theSTART perform on Sunday at Fresno's New Rock 104 Birthday Bash, and WOW.. what an amazing show. I was one of the only people there that even knew who they were.. but they made alot of new fans that day - the line at the signing booth was huge. Of course, the highlight of it all was giving Aimee a copy of my CD... I wonder if she'll even listen to it? Oh well - not that it matters... The show was absolutely spellbinding, though. so if any of the band is reading this, great job to you all!
Chris <enterpr0tagonist@cs.com>
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hola........I want to see the START tomarrow but I can't.......this is fucking great isn't it?.....I even went to the music store to buy their cd and it wasn't there.
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

new, guilt-free email address
kidneythief <limpandstutter@hotmail.com>
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Is theSTART still going to be playing at Family Values?! I just paid extra money to get presale tickets because I have to see theSTART again. Now I can't find any info about them being on the bill! I'm going to be so upset if they aren't there. They are the only band that I really want to see on the tour. If you have any information on this matter PLEASE contact me!
Jennifer <ninfreak666@hotmail.com>
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hey......can our band Ainexs play at yor concert?......that would be cool....just one or two songs........so where can I get the START's cd?......like I live in a small town and I have to wait until I can go to "the next" town to go get it. I don't want to drive all over the place so if you know where please tell me!....thanks.....bye......GOD BLESS!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

Oh my god that would be fucking awesome if theSTART would play on this lil shin dig. But I think they might be a little too busy what with them on the Weezer tour as well as Incubus. But from the sounds of it, you want local bands to play? Hmm...I hope many bands sign up to play this show. That would be a great way to help out.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

***UnEarthed.com ROCK FOR RELIEF Concert *** In an effort to assist those in need - UnEarthed.com would like to hold a "Relief Effort" benefit concert to raise funds to be sent to the Red Cross to help the citizens of New York regain some control of their recently shattered lives. If there are bands or club owners interested in donating their talents, time and/or space towards this idea - please contact me ASAP with your input and your offers of support. This will take a little time to put together, but it will be worth the efforts from all of us. lesa@unearthed.com - or call- 323.661.0477 Leave a detailed message or an email all relevant information regarding your availability, donations, or volunteer work you are willing to contribute and we will contact you with information. I urge those of you who can contribute to participate in any way you can. ESPECIALLY those of us in Los Angeles. Let's pull together and pool our creative talents in order to make a difference in the lives of others. In the meantime - stay tuned to UnEarthed.com for more information as this idea develops. Thank You.
Lesa <lesa@unearthed.com>
Hollywood, CA U*S*A* -

Check out www.ratm.com for the effects of racist patriotism after this horrible tragedy!I hope it changes some of your opinons on war and revenge
Joey
USA -

HI...
JOE <TECHNITION2002@YAHOO.COM>
NORTH HOLLYWOOD, CA USA -

I just heard that Colin Powell wants a war against Afghanastan. I'm so upset over that. If the draft is reinstated then it will be all of my friends over there fighting. They don't deserve to be on a battlefield over in the middle of nowhere. I'm so pissed over all this shit. I wish there was some way that we could show people that war is not the answer and that all we really want is peace. In the words of John Lennon, "All we are saying is give peace a chance!"
Jennifer
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I think that nobody should be at war or try to start something. I even get mad when people get stupid at concerts. I'm bummed because I don't get to see the START again. I'm gonna buy there cd soon. I live in such a small town and they don't sell it here so I have to go to the next town which is 45 minutes away. That stinks for me. I want to be a roadie for the START. That would be super cool. I just saw Third Eye Blind today for free. I put a donation in to help the victims in New York...and people that already bought tickets got there money back but they were encouraged to give the ticket money to the Red Cross to help the victims in New York which is totally cool. Third Eye Blind is cool. the START is totally cool too and they are starting to replace my favorite band Blink 182. I don't know why? There is just this form of originality towards them. They rock on stage too!bye....GOD BLESS!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

hey all my fellow heretics--i just wanted to let all of you know that in a time of national crisis the thing that keeps me positive, *the thing that allows me to dance in remeberance of lives not mourn with thoughts of those lost*, is you. you all give me faith (and this includes Aimee, Scott, Jeff, Jamie, and Human)...i love y'all.
KATIE <deadsychick@yahoo.com>
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Forgot to mention this before, but it's the people like Natalie's Mom who have saved all the people involved yesterday. We should be thankful that those certain individuals exist. Give it up for Mom!
Lex
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It is horrid to see the news clips of people cheering at the news of the events that have taken place recently, but we need to look at our own culture, and how we react when something like this occurs. After every war that we win, what is the first thing that happens when the men and women who fought come home? We have parades. I know it isn't the exact same, but it is the same basic idea. People celebrate defeat. I think the people who say that we need to "blow the shit out of the country that started this" are just as bad. You don't fight fire with fire. Even though it would probably be the best thing to see the person who organized this dead, (hell, even I am for that, sadly) it isn't the right way to think. Maybe if we focused on whoever did this instead of the country he or she is from, we could pull off a conclusion without a war. I was thinking...if we do have a war, would there be a draft? I am 18 next August. God, I don't know what I would do. Every single person I know would be in danger of having to go fight. Think about THAT for a moment...
Lex
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Hello fellow Heretics- today while in school, some lil cunt arse decided to pull the fire alarm, and scare us shitless- i swear i nearly had a heart attack...i was like, fuck ww3 has commenced. hopefully they're will be no war, because nowadays with every countries technology, it'll be hard to win a war! why kill? isn't this what we are mad at? all those innocent victims dead- i wish i were powerful...i would have done anything to prevail all of this chaos, which has caused so much tragedy, to many! *ryan* babe, i know what you are trying to say, but it wasn't every ________ (place in the ethnicity, i don't want to offend anyone)that was cheering and dancing, they're are some ignorant people whom were. they should be punished, and burning in hell(if there is one). *natile*-your mom is a heroic person, we should all applaud and thank her dearly....thanks mummy! all we can do right now is-donate blood or have some sort of fund-raiser for the victims out there-it's wonderful to see how america unites(too bad, it is seen in such a tragic moment).
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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I got my mom back today, around 7ish. i feel alot better now...still not good, just better than before. well you get it. Its hard to think about this, im trying to grasp the idea that the city may never be the same. there's still fires, and building #5 is about to fall. There are 300 missing fire fighters. i've always respected them, but now i cant even put into words what i feel towards them! theres only 70something cops missing, but "missing" anyone at this point puts my heart in my throat. I had a strange dream the other night that it was snowing outside and a blond girl (wearing a green fall jacket and shorts)got out of a green mini-van, rang my door bell and told me to call con ed cos there was a hole in the street infront of the house nextdoor to mine. the hole kept getting bigger, i never went outside to examine it because there were always people running near it and then a car fell into it. From where i was standing all i saw was bright orange, i thought it was lava. After that the dream got strange (as if it wasnt already) i turned off my heat (i remember that girl saying something about a boiler or something), i walked into the basement to make sure the floor didnt have holes only to wind up in california driving in a red car with its top down talking to one of my good friends on what looked to be an old school cell phone. I asked if he called con ed yet and he said yeah but lance (who he called vance) from nsync picked up the phone and then called him "david blink-182"...like blink 182 was his last name or something.

anywho, after i woke up to the news my dream was the 2nd thing on my mind. i keep thinking about it and it makes more and more sense. i just wish i knew what the hell it ment when i had the dream (3 or 4 nights ago). sorry for ranting.
natalie <nirvanavcv@aol.com>
ny -

Joey-Thanks for the wonderful post. I too have been hearing nothing but cries of revenge. It's so nice to know that I am not the only one hoping for peace! Thanks for giving me a little hope in mankind.
Jennifer
AZ -

Someone was talking about the Blink 182 show at the Pond. It's been postponed. Check the ticketmaster website.
Lex
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Yes,the NyC incident was horrible!my sister was suspected to be dead but she came home and is O.K.but at the same time I can't seek revenge on another country.there are people in these suspected countries that don't have this good life we all have!people forget that we have freedom of speech(notmuch of it anymore!butit's something!),we can pick out what to wear and go home to a home and releax!these people don't have what we have they get bombs thrown at them trying to go to school.familes have nothing to eat no way of living.Also,america drops bombs on these countries all the time for no reason and America just laughs about it like it never happened.no one ever thinks about them.Although I don't justify all those people dying for something they knew nothing about!It's not like America didn't know about Palestinian threats for years about destroying the pentagon unless they got their homeland back!America just laughed it off like it couldn't happen!they thoughtr they were invincible but by yesterday's display America's now shitting in their pants!their solution is bomb them back(theyb still don't exactly know who it is or a reason and already resorting to violence!)all I hear in school is REVENGE!they want everyone killed,they anyone different from them deported or killed and to close off the border(woulden't be america then jackasses!).when are people going to learn you can't solve violence with violence!we need to just UNITE! and fight against all of these unjust governments so we can live in peace!I don't want war it is not the answer!I had to help a poor islamic boy today because he was getting beat up by some racist white power assholes!I luckily got him home safely!(the boy felt nothing but greif for the victims).How does everyone know this other country is all against the U.S it is only a select few that did this horrible act!you can't blame a whole country for a few's actions.how do you know that all of the country dosen't have any personal politics and dosen't wan't their name dragged out with all this .this is the same scenario abunch of innocent people would go down without even knowing what happened(sound familiar!).It suprises me that START fans would want to kill,start war,and continue violence onto others!remember RISE UP! DANCE TO A DIFFERENT BEAT!(R.I.P to all innocent victims!)
Joey <kornlimpdef6969@hotmail.com>
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So is the San Diego concert still on?
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

Didn't mean to double post. =P
stacey
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I haven't posted here in a long time.
But, for those of you talking about the whole supposed Nostradamus prophecy, read this:

http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html
stacey <stacey@deaddesire.org>
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I haven't posted here in a long time. But, for those of you talking about the whole supposed Nostradamus prophecy, read this: http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html
stacey <stacey@deaddesire.org>
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does anyone not think it is so weird that this whole thing happened on a day of september 11. the 9th month, the 11th day. look at those numbers together. 911. freaky shit. along with this:
"Nostradamus predict that the end of the world would begin at the turn of the millenium with the burning of the great city

In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb", "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654."
hypnaughtika
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I just wanted to say Hello to everyone and that i hope everyone is good. i really cant beleive what happen today. I was told to just be calm and everything is gonna be ok. Well i hope so and that who ever is responsible for this pays!! im not into being mean but today was unbeleivable so its ok.. take care xoxoxox *angela*
Angela <onestaralone@yahoo.com>
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hey Natalie.....your mom is totally awsome....I don't know who she is but I'm praying for her and everyone she is with....this is terrible again..and again theSTART rocks!!!!! That kind of is scary how you did the math......let's hope nothing else happens....bye.....GOD BLESS!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

turns out my mom will not be coming home tonight. its ok tho, shes out there helping people im very proud of her.
but hey, has anyone put this together? I dont know maybe with the day that today was im actually going crazy, but check this out...
The flights that were hijacked were from United and AA, they were numbered as follows: 11, 93, 175, and 77 11 = Today's Date 9+3 = 12 = Tomorrow 1+7+5 = 13 = Thursday 7+7 = 14 = Friday Hopefully this is a coincidence and the terrorists can't add. but if this is correct there will either be acts of terrorism every day for the next few days or a grand event the last day.

all you need is love.
natalie
ny -

Yea...the Madonna show at the Staples Center tonight also got canceled.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

Yeah I know you shouldn't point the finger or the blame- but what about all those bastards dancing around in the street celebrating this? I think we should have done a live conference of use going in there and wiping them out- then us dancing out in the street and laughing about it- you may think its harsh- but how do you think the families of the victims in those planes felt that didn't have any say whether they were going to live or die? This is a very scary situation- because if we do go to war- we are all in jeopardy. Blink 182 got postponed for anyone that is going to the LA Arena show- I don't know bout the Pond show yet, it still says its in tact.
Ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca -

theSTART rocks!!!!! Dude, I would have been so mad if they had ran into Times Square where the Cup of Noodles thing is. I hope we get some good people and nice people to run the country's in the future. This stinks. There is no need for this crap.
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

Here is my complain for the day! People at my school were "laughing" today when they saw the news!!!!! They were laughing!!! I don't know how their parents raised them up, how they were able to laugh at a time like this. OH my gosh! I felt sick hearing them just keep on talking about their boring little lives, while thousands of people died already. I don't even know anybody who lives in NY but I still broke into tears. People really need to get a life and realize how serious the situation is. Just in general as a human being show some respect! People at my school are retarded.
Emily
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I am one year away from donating blood!!! I want to donate my blood!!! Okay Anyway...if I were you guys, I would definitelly record the news tonight on video!!!! We are part of a major event in history now. Our thought, hopes, and fears will be all recorded in the history book. Think and act wisely... I cried many times tonight. I can't believe people were laughing at my school!!!
Emily
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Hey everyone, we've been through a lot of shit today. I hope things will eventually improve. Please stop all this talk of war, what we need right now is peace. A war would be truly disasterous and result in nothing but more tragedy and more pointless killing. You cannot justify a death with another death. You are all in my thoughts and prayers. BLESSED BE!
Jennifer
AZ -

i am shocked and appalled at the actions of today. i have been scared left in disbelief. i am so ugh. yeah. left in anger and confusion.
lindsay lamebrain
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thanks amanda- by any chance do you guys know the addy to san diego state university???? -is the concert going to be cancelled in SD?....help me please! i have a lil time left
-erika
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this whole thing is totally fucked up. and it's a horrible thing to happen. i was only reminded of how close that is to here. way too close. and i'm thankful to live in canada at a time like this. even though something like this could happen anywhere and anytime.
i'm gonna agree with erika here. no one needs a war. because my friends - a war at this time and age could possibly mean the end of the world. it really could. and lets just hope that doesn't happen.
i hope you are all doing well. all of you - those effected and those not. take care heretics. take care.
hypnaughtika
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Let's all let a candle for the lost lives. Even though I don't believe in god, but I will pray with everyone tonight.
Emily
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I still cannot believe all of this. My heart and thoughts go out to all those people effected and I hope all the heretics are safe, I love you guys!!!
lauRa
syd, aus -

we also went to go donate blood...it's so full, good thing so many people care! i only needed a note to donate since i'm a baby...he he he! don't get me wrong kt...i'm not saying we shouldn't do nothing, but we should not point fingers as many are doing- what happens if we accuse the wrong person and do retaliate? we'll start an unnecessary war- we don't need a war!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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yeah- this is a pretty scary situation- I went to the red cross today but they were booked for 6-8 hours- I will try again tomorrow- my thoughts are with all the victims of yet another senseless tragedy.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca USA -

this whole thing makes pearl harbor and oklahoma city put together resemble a firecracker in a tin can. who do you just NOT retaliate against something like this? i'm not a gun-freak by any means, and i've never advocated WAR, but...who answers to the murder of 15000 people? i'd like to get bin laden (or WHOever) and shoot them up with fifty hits a day of the most potent kind of LSD in existence, and lock him up in a little room with Cannibal Corpse's VILE album on repeat through speakers in the ceiling. do this for about a month, then let him out. killing a muslim who believes that death will reward him with eternal ecstasy is not the way to "punish" somebody; you have to drive them completely insane.
kt
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This may not be my best composition ever made, but it a sentimental one. I had no clue what was going on today- I went to school as always, and all of a sudden I have to write a 5 paragraph prompt on the DISASTER. The thing that crossed my mind was,- If the US were in-fact so strong, how could they let this happen?- Second, How were the terrorist able to board the plane with there weapons?- I think for an answer to this, but I reach my conclusion....THERE IS NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR THIS MADNESS TO BE HAPPENING! The thing that worries me the most, is that, the two major cities were bombed...NYC and WashingtonDC. LA is the third major city; also all the planes were due in Lax airport. The families of people on the departing plane(s), and the individuals who this has caused pain, sorrow, and lamentation. This is something TRAGIC, my heart goes out to you..may you be strong enough to cope with this/your loss. This day shall be marked down in history! Oh yeah, hopefully the US doesn’t plan to retaliate against the Country who may have had something to do with this......then, that my fellow heretics would be the commencement of World War 3.....may we all be saved!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
bell, ca -

dude, my cousin lives in Manhattan...peace to all of her friends that were injured. Dude, we have to stop the violence this is bullshit. anyway.....I love theSTART....I'm going to see you guys again in San Diego with Cold and Weezer. Aimee you inspire me soooo much.....I have now put so much more effort into our band...thank you!bye.....GOD BLESS!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA USA -

Hey Natalie, None of us can imagine what you are going thru but just talk away on here when you need to over the time to come and I'm sure I speak for us all when I say that we will defo be around for you and others in NY and the other affected areas.
Rae
UK -

by the way,sorry for the repeated msg down there. the stalker kid has calmed down a little but still calls me 2-3 times before work and then again AT work (he works with me). He went nuts when i wouldnt get in his car with him and almost crashed into the car i was in (with my best friend driving) and the stalker had one of my good friends in his car, driving him home. So if he would have crashed into us we probably would have rammed into the car next to us or flipped over. everyones ok...now im just worried about terrorists.
natalie
ny -

Hey everyone. what a drepressing day, i cried for the majority of it. I didn't know what happened to my mother (she works at a hospital in manhattan), i couldn't get in touch with her for about an hour after i heard what happened. I have no idea how my friends are, where they are or what mental level they're on right now. I dont even know when my mom can get back home (since she's a registered nurse they'll need her at the hospital). I'm going to go give blood tomorrow, and i beg that you all do the same if you can. Are the other NY heretics alright???? love to all.
natalie
ny -

Yep, condolences to all concerned, icluding people who weren't physically hurt but are shocked by what has happened. Yes it is the shit, but Kelly don't go on about America being the best and strongest etc. That type of talk was what effectively started off the Cuban Missile Crisis and that type of talk reminds me of your dork of a president. If this was the work of Bin Laden, we have to look at why he hasn't done this b4 cos he has always had the means. This attack appears to have been against the Bush administration as well as the innocent American citizen. Let's hope he listens to world advisors when starting the investigation. His dad almost started a World war, lets hope he not trying to finish everything his dad started. Again, very very sorry to all involved, this shit shouldn't happen regardless of what the excuse is. Innocents shouldn't be the target in political games.
Rae C <redhotraepepper@yahoo.com>
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I hope to god that all of you in America are ok and also to those of you that have loved ones in the states, i totally agree nothing is funny anymore. I can't start to imagine how you all must feel, all my thoughts r with you. love to everyone violent_anguish
Jean <thisisthestart>
nottingham, england -

This whole thing is so utterly disgusting. All my friends over in California are scared shitless. I probably would be, too if I still lived there. But I know no one is going to bomb Cottonwood, Arizona. God I feel lucky right about now to live in the middle of no fucking where. Anyways, I am in shock over this whole thing. And I hope everyone is doing okay. Fuck I can't believe we're going to war now....this fucking sucks.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

kt-I hope with all my heart that everyone in your family is ok.
Jennifer
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three of my aunts are commercial flight attendants for American. one of them is based in LA, one is based in DC. her husband, my uncle, is in the airforce and worked at the pentagon until a month ago. i'm changing my email address...nothing's funny anymore.
kt
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I am sure you have all heard about what has happened in the US today. Tens of thousands of people are likely dead. I am not a religous person by any means, but I feel compelled to pray for these people and their friends and families. My heart is with them today. Please pray for them to whatever god you have, or even if you don't have one. I don't even believe in god, and yet I feel like this is something I should do. I can't even fathom how anyone could have so much disregard for innocent lives. Today I truly feel like the whole world has gone to hell. I am so sorry for anyone who this horrible act has touched. I hope you are all safe and sound, and doing well. love always, adrienne
adrienne <littlewoman@carolina.rr.com>
charlotte, us -

Kelly- I think you said it best, peace, love, and UNITY! All over my campus I am hearing cries of war. When will we learn that violence cannot end violence!! We need to remember the people and the human side of this horrific situation. This is not a political statement, it is a crime against humanity, not the government. This is a situation that will not only affect America but the world. Many people around the world will be suffering due to this. Please remember all the people of the world and do not fill your hearts with feelings of hatred! Hatred is what brought upon this tragedy, and hatred will only do more damage! I understand the feelings of pain and revenge. I too am suffering. I've been crying all day, I don't know whether some of my friends are still with us on this earth or not. But hatred will only lead to more pain and suffering!! We need to PEACEFULLY unite to show whoever did this that it will not bring us down as they hope but only make us stronger and more caring.
Jennifer <ninfreak666@hotmail.com>
AZ -

The shit that's goin' on right now is really disgusting and scary. Man, even though I don't live in NYC, I'm still scared to go outside my house...I hope everything will be alright...
Lorie <DiabloPixie@AOL.COM>
Los Angeles, CA -

shit whats going on.. this is the biggest thing to happen out side of war.. I hope everyone in new york who is posably reading this, is safe! my thoughts are with everyone and their families! as for my favorite band in the world.. actully my fav. band will always be human waste project, but the start is right below it.. along with HER0! is the start really going on tour with incubus in october.. is so it's a must go! to everyone else.. this is by far the best and STRONGEST country in the world! we will show our power speak out and dance freely.. too all the start fans and even more the old skool HWP fans. peace & love.. a for fuckin sakes .. unity!
Kelly <frihed420@aol.com>
Gilroy, CA Usa- best place in the world -

I can't believe what is going on. I'm in total shock, I can't get my body to stop shaking. Has anyone heard any news on Pennsylvania? I have a really close friend that lives outside of Pittsburgh and I just want to know if he's ok. If anyone knows anything about whats going on there PLEASE contact me. I hope everyone is ok, my heart goes out to you and everyone in this country!
Jennifer <ninfreak666@hotmail.com>
AZ -

Jesus Christ. What on earth is going on... I hope you are all okay.
Fiona
London, -

I dyed my friend's hair purple on sunday. I failed my math test on monday. I didn't feel the earthquake on sunday. Don't know why. If everybody going to the slipknot show on saturday 9-29? am I the only person not going?? I'll be seeing (hed)!!!!! Yeah!!!
Emily
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Aimee!! or anyone else who knows...what breed of dog is Eno?(aimees dog) if its a chiuahua(sp?) then what kind? thanks in advance!! oh yeaa Aimee comin to SJ tomorrow I hope to see you again!!
SteveN <steve@dividedmusic.com>
san jose, ca usa -

Maria- other than math obtuse means slow to understand.
Jennifer
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lex- you alright? why didn't you tell me yesterday when we spoke...i'm going to kick your arse next time i see you! PLEASE drive carefully!!!...love ya!
-erika
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We've all been there Lexicon! I wouldn't continue speeding by them though as Maria suggested. I did that once and the cop let the person that he had pulled over go and went after me instead since I was going faster than the person that he had stopped. Luckily I was right by the city limits and I made it out of the limits so he couldn't stop me, and into a complex residential area so he didn't know where to send the highway patrol.
Jennifer
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what does **obtuse** mean, other than math?
maria <sparks_1@hotmail.com>
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this band is pretty cool! I just saw them in concert yesterday at the New Rock 104 b-day bash! I got Aimee's autograph....thank you! I want to see you guys again because you kicked ass!
s marker <blinksbm182@hotmail.com>
Porterville, CA usa -

LOL!!! thats one funny story Lexicon. *still laughing* i've totally been there! just remember next time, when the cop is out and giving someone else a ticket, just keep on speeding cause they don't have enough time to get back on the bike or in the car to chase you down LOL! P.S. watch out for trucks next time!
maria <sparks_1@hotmail.com>
covina, ca usa -

Remember when we all were talking about the horrors of driving. Well, today took the cake for me. I was coming back from lunch, driving down the home stretch back to school. There was a VERY slow driver in front of me, and if one thing drives me crazy, it is slow drivers. I pull around him to pass, obviously accelerating to make the move. I was going a tad over the speed limit, and THAT IS WHEN I find out why everyone is going so slow. One of my fellow students has been pulled over by a cop. So, I looked real smooth zooming past everyone, including a cop. I looked right into that man's eyes as I passed, just THEN realizing who he was. I slam on the brakes. I see that he looks a little pissed. I figure, I am not getting a ticket going back to school. So, I slam on my breaks once again and turn into a residential area I have never been to before, only to get VERY VERY lost. Well, as I am pulling out of the area, after searching for a way out for like, 15 minutes, I realize that, wait a minute, the street I am pulling out of IS RIGHT WHERE THE COP IS! So, I sneak into the intersection, not looking who was coming up on me. Big mistake. This huge Silver truck almost smacks right into me. The two kids with me are scared to death cause we almost got hit, and I am scared to death cause A) I am not supposed to have other people in the car and B) I don't want a freakin ticket. So yes, I had to sit through Civics sweating and knees shaking. I am never going out to lunch again.
Lexicon
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Just one more question, does anyone know how I can get a copy of "Circles"?
Jennifer
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Does anyone know when the dates for the west coast leg of Family Values is going to be posted? I've had my computer on the Family Values page forever but so far they just have the east coast dates. I don't want to miss the presales! Does anyone out there have any insight on the matter?
Jennifer
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i felt it- scary shit!..lol
-erika
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Who felt the earthquake??? hee hee hee it was funnn!!!
Lorie
Los Angeles, CA -

ello there. very random post fur me...i finally scanned the pix of me with jamie, aimee and eno frum the chicago show. so if anyone wants to see, go here: http://www.geocities.com/silverrayna/rockstars.html pardon the shitty layout, but u get the idea. bi bi.
SteFanie raYna <raynarain@aol.com>
chicago, il us -

hey puke, it's timmy, how's it going? i was checking out the speak and i saw a few of your messages so i thought i'd say hi. are you going to the san diego show? i'm real exited like always. well, take care. timothy and hello to everyone else on the speak out
timothy <fiercecircle@aol.com>
buena park, ca -

natile- what happened> hopefully your fine now!!!
erika
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I made a webring. Excuse the shameless plugging, please!
deaddesire.org/shakedown
Bronagh <bronagh@deaddesire.org>
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Hey everyone. I see talk of the VMA's. i didn't take time out of my life to watch them...workin too many hours anyway. if anyone cares, i have a psychotic stalker kid at work who almost killed me (and 2 of my good friends) last night. im still shaking.
natalie
ny -

...and all i can do is read a book to stay awake...
kt
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did you guys all REALLY think that fucking rubber dog was funny? i guess i don't find that very funny because, in a sense, i shot my own brow off my face years ago
kt
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Truimph the Insult Dog is my hero hee hee... I saw some of the VMAs(Vagina Monologue Awards ha ha) it was funnier this year than last...It was cool to see Mudvayne win an award though to put a dent in the majority of winners except Moby and Fatboy Slim...
Lorie
Los Angeles, CA -

The VMA's were really dissapointing this year. Granted they're never that good but this year they were just plain BAD! The only highlights were U2's performance and seeing The Ramones. I couldn't believe they had The Ramones there, that was the most exciting moment of the show. Why didn't MTV let them talk though? They'll let a plastic dog (who I must admit was hilarious!) ramble on forever but they won't let The Ramones talk! That just wasn't right.
Jennifer
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I must say, Alicia Keys and *NSync just took the show. Other then those 2 acts I wouldn't have watched it. And Alien Ant Farm did...an...AMAZING job on the pre show. Fuck, just a year ago I was watching them play at The Roxy now they're opening for the MTV VMA's and interviewing a Backstreet Boy for House Of Style. Fuckin weird. Maybe next year it will be theSTART! Who knows...
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

Mtv is nothing but another cable channel sell-out!...what happened with the old shit?....Vh1 is better!
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yeah I stopped watching those MTV awards 2 years ago-- its all rap- not my thing.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca 92804 -

I just wrote off to MTV2 Europe asking them to get theSTART on their playlist, I still haven't seen the video! I guessed I'd have more of a chance there since MTV UK & Ireland is just so bad! Help my cause, make me happy! ;-) MTV2 Europe.
Bronagh <bronagh@deaddesire.org>
Dublin, Ireland -

oh i didn't forget it. if i felt like dignifying some really awful jokes by retelling them i would have pointed out a few of Jamie Fox's real evening-killers.
kidneythief
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you forgot triumph the insult comic dog! "j. lo, can i please sniff your butt?? you don't understand. for a dog it's like climbing mount everest."
~puke~
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so who saw the MTV Flaming Shit Awards last night? i certainly did. every damn SECOND of it. i expected so much more though...but then again i kept having to remind myself not to get my hopes up. britney spears danced around with an albino python (PHALLIC!!!PHAAAAAAAAAALLLIC!!!), michael jackson...well SHIT michael jackson APPEARED for crying out loud, jamie fox told some absolutely HORRIFYING jokes, and so on and so forth the night went. Moby won an award! MOBY!!! aaah! jesus christ my life's ambition now, after reading his little manifesto in the liner notes of "Play" is to, if i ever get rich enough, buy and move into the loft next to his in the east village or wherever the fuck, and roast live goats every night. on a big wooden spit in the middle of my living room, with that thick greasy burning animal-flesh smell wafting into his apartment next door. look out moby, here i come, and i'm bringing all of my staunch NRA buddies with me to party. one of the highlights for me personally, and one of the maybe two or three people there who deserved an award was Alicia Keys. this girl comes out, takes her hat off and BOWS (!), and then sits at her piano and tears into BEETHOVEN (!!), before playing her song. she's got talent, looks, AND dignity. Mudvayne won an award to no applause WHATsoever, but probably gave the most practical and down-to-earth acceptance speech. Wes Borland sang Iron Maiden. the R&B video award was presented with stock footage of two turtles fucking. what else? i know i know, i understand all your objections but to me, the Flaming Shit Awards on MTV are like a horrible trainwreck you see on your way home from work; you KNOW its horrible and tragic, but you just can't bring yourself to look away. or at least i can't.
kt
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the hangnail from HELL!!!
kt
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try cleaning all the blood off the fretboard and pickups every time the cut opens again... now that's pretty gross. glad to see everything still intact. i missed everyone. sorry only half the report ever got written. it became very difficult to maintain. maybe i'll write up a whole one and re-tell the events in greater, more interesting detail. for now i'm just glad to be home. one of these days i'll have nothing to do and flip through the archives to see what i missed out on. take care all.
~puke~ <puke@angelabyss.com>
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Does anybody have a pic of some of theSTART merch? Stickers, shirts anything dammit!!!
Shawn Gatlin <thrillbound@aol.com>
Hell, Ca. USA -

malcolm, sorr to bring reading up mate i didn't realise! and therapy? aren't really my thing i never really liked them but i'll go with you if you're coming up here! when is it? and are you coming up anytime soon? we need another trip to jillys me thinks!!

and jaimes hand.... eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
jen jen
manchester, uk -

human waste project and the start are the best bands ever!!! Amiee is soooo super hot!
jessca <glitter_glutter@yahoo.com>
oville, mi us -

virtually the same thing happened in austin a few years ago, without actual rioting. it came damn close though; it's funny because it was over the same band with very similar circumstances. SOAD had cancelled TWO austin dates within a three-month span, which was right around when Sugar was being played on heavy rotation locally and they were basically blowing up. i never blamed the band, but apparently a lot of folks did. by the time they scheduled a make-up show, they could have filled the four-thousand capacity Music Hall (where theStart will be playing w/ incubus), but for some reason, it was decided that they would be playing at the barely one-thousand capacity venue La Zona Rosa. it was supposed to be free, which was their first mistake, whoever made that choice. secondly, they couldn't figure out who would get priority as far as people w/ previous dates' tickets. some said yes, and that if you held a ticket to one of the two cancelled shows, then you got to the front of the line. others said no. it appears the others were right. so anyway, about 6 or 7 thousand people showed up, it rained, and every body screamed and yelled and smoked pot and threw beer bottles at security and what not, and then they started letting folks in, one at a time. no riots or deaths or beatings or anything, just thousands upon thousands of drunk pissed-off people who didn't get to see System of a Down. i have to say, though, that being one of the thousand that made it in was really fucking cool, and it was one hell of a show!
kt
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oh...lol...i didn't go to the palace show......umm maybe that wasn't my sister and my friend lol..cuz they were on the right side at the hob show...yeah i didn't see you.....i was upstairs the whole time.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
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ps if you guys are bored go read this knac.com news article.. they wrote me in http://www.knac.com/servlet/Article_Page?articleID=20723 It's so cool..
Emily
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Ellen, I was on the right side the front on saturday. lol.. they were your sister?? Yeah.. I was outside on sunday.. I saw those deadsy guys greeting the fans. I saw tripp on saturday.. missed him on sunday. Didn't use my backstage pass on sunday.. I have to give it up to my friend she wants to meet wayne. Oh well.. That was your sister?? Oh my gosh.. she was screaming so hard even before they came on she was like "deadsy!! Deadsy!! doctors!!!" oh.. I am the girl with half pink hair and half black hair in the front. I am asian.. I had glasses on sunday.
Emily
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hey everyone.....i went to the deadsy/static-x show at the hob...it was cool...but it was too crowded...and many ppl weren't into Deadsy at all...and after deadsy's set..i went upstairs..and i got to sit down at the loge area cause i had a pass..yeah jon davis was there but i didn't really care...and i went outside and took pics with the deadsy dudes....and i went back inside to see static's set...they put on a great show....i wish i was down in the audience where all the fun was...afterward i went outside and they kicked ppl who were under 21...so i went downstairs and just hung around with my friends...i met tripp but the other dudes were not to be found....wow i never saw you emily...and about those two girls...hmm..they might be my sis and my friend lisa..if you were on the right side of the audience.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Both shows
S:)
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Opps.. I meant to say theStart's shirt. lol..
Emily
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hahaha.. oh my gosh. I had no idea theStart was there that night. I didn't see anybody!!Amanda I saw you walking pass by the line while I was waiting to get in. Were you the one wearing theStart's shit. It was a white shirt I think. Yeah. You were walking with your one friend or something. I am going to see (hed) on 9-29, and disturbed oct. 15th?? Yeah.. something like that. Hope I'll meet you someday. Where were you on monday?? lol.. I was across the street on hollywood blvd, because I saw everybody was running outside. lol..
Emily
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WAIT! lol emily, you were at SOAD too!? dammit so was I! hahha I swear...our paths aren't meant to meet or something...:P xoxoxoox
AMANDA <witchyxpoo@aol.com>
Burbank, CA -

emily... LOl I think I know the two girls you speak of.. I was the one BEHIND those screaming girls...lol I was with a blonde girl wearing a START shirt and I was wearing a really stupid shirt with sheep on it and my hair was up in all these little clipy thingies... heh....katie was there too.. did you talk to her? But..yeah...Aimee, Jaimie and someone told me Scott was there (I didn't see him though :/) ... :D Jeez...I wish I knew you were going to that show! I would have liked to meet you, dammit.. lol are you going to Lunarclick??? Maybe Sara and I can meet up with you then...?? xoxoxxo
AMANDA <witchyxpoo@aol.com>
Burbank, CA -

Well, my domain has finally sorted itself out and I have perfect machine back online...yay! It's even updated (well, still a few things to add). The URL has slightly changed so if anyone linked me, the new one is http://deaddesire.org/thestart. Ta!
Bronagh <bronagh@deaddesire.org>
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hey monica! Great seeing you!! Always glad to meet theStart fans. Did anybody go to the SOAD free show?? Well it wasn't exactly a show, since they didn't even play!!! Oh lol.. I was there across the street on hollywood blvd. Watching the fans running out, then walking in, running out, then walking in. Finally I decided to go get something to eat and the restaurant had this huge tv. So I was like "turn on the news!!!" Guess what! There we were, "breaking news" on channel 7. Then I went outside because the store's owner closed her door, she thought it was too dangerous. So I got outside, because my stupid friend wanted to go back and see what's going on. hahhahaha.. wow.. this can only happen in LA. It reminded me of the Rage Against the Machine show last year at the democratic convention. Remember that?? wow.. I was glad I was there today.
Emily
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oh fuck. strike out the my in that last sentence. i keep typing weird things today.
hypnaughtika
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so i'm not the only one who misses puke. we need him back here. it's not the same without him. goddamnit. someone tell puke to come back! i miss my that partner in crime.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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Emily!i met you at the HOB last night! i just wanted to say HI! and that i had a lot of fun and it was great meeting you!
Monica <xxthefaintxx@cs.com>
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hey, yeah! what the hell ever happened to that Puke? he was a swell kid
kt
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i didn't realize i was posting anymore than i usually do. this is just a fun, happenin' place, you know?
kt
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We meet you guys in Inianapolis when you played with Sugar Ray. Youguys were at the same hotel as us when we were checking in. We were talking to you about the show with Incubus. You told us that you were going to be in Chicago in October around Incubus's cd realese and My friend and I said we were going to have a big party because its the day before her birthday. Is there any way you could get us some backstage passes so we can hang with you guys? It would be the best 18th birthday present for both of us. Hope to here from youguy soon. Later Ashley and Cori
Ashley <muddblue02@aol.com>
Round Lake Park, IL United State -

Good point, where is puke? I miss his posts.
No jen, for the first time in three years, I didn't go to reading. And i'm sick of hearing about it. I missed extreme fest as well. Never mind. I go back to nottingham on saturday. Oh, and therapy? aren't doing a notts date on their tour, so I might have to come to Manchester. Fancy going?

kt, why so many posts recently? It's not that I don't appreciate them...but you must be bored man....
Metal Malcolm
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anyone seen sir puke??
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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goddammit
kt
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i went and saw blonde redhead the other night and i have to say that i'm quite dissapointed that all these pretentious college kids are all wearing the same damn pair of thick black framed glasses. they all looked like they belonged in GAP ads or something...very frightening
kt
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Wait.. Amanda?? Were you the chick on the right side screaming so hard for Deadsy?? I talked to these two girls who were so into them. I was in the front too. The right side. Aimee was there last night??? what?? what?? Okay.. I just got back fron the HOB show. My complain it too many freaking people!!! the Korn members were all there and they took like 70 people with them!!!! What the heck. they didn't even let people go down stairs. I looked it wasn't even packed too. So many Deadsy fans were there. So many. They band was cool thought.. they were hanging outside and chatting with the fans. I had to spend my time watching the show outside on the TV screen!! lol..
Emily
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Yeah I went and saw Jeepers Crappers on opening night- quite a disappointment- I want to see Ghost World really bad. I am going to drive out to the University to watch that- but some of the indie's I've seen lately are exquisite.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, cA USA -

jamie's hand in that photo makes me think of those Ripley's Believe It or Not case files about those one in two hundred and sevety five million people whose hangnail gets so bad that the afflicted finger actually explodes across the cuticle in a bloody mess. roughly translated those numbers mean that this happens to an estimated twenty to twenty two people every year on every continent, in every socioeconomic condition, any ethnic or congenital background, and with no pattern whatsoever to indicate a specific cause to the strange reaction. the CDC apparently possess case study files on some of the documented victims, but have no intention on concentrating any funding into an effort to search out and indentify, and to hopefully even eleminate any one viral or bacterial cause of which we've been heretofore unaware.
kt
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condolences
kt
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ladies and gentleman, i present to you the Picasso smiley-con: .)'
kt
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i HOPE theSTART will be playing The Nassua Collisuem Date on the Faimly Values Tour because theSTART are actually members of the Korn faimly.AND i would love to see them play on that bill!
Joey Aulisio <Kornlimpdef6969@hotmail.com>
Hicksville, NY 11801 -

Seeing theSTART AGAIN for the first time, thats easy. At the NY show i got there 45 min after they opened the door and theSTART were already done with their set! But i got to hang out with them.

Im in the same boat when it comes to seeing titanic (seriously, no pun intended). I was actually forced to watch it by a then-boyfriend. I had no intrest in seeing it, so even if i may have enjoyed it (other than the part when leonardo dies) my mind was set on not.
natalie
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Seeing theSTART AGAIN for the first time, thats easy. At the NY show i got there 45 min after they opened the door and theSTART were already done with their set! But i got to hang out with them.

Deadsy at the Palace last night = AMAZING. I was happy to see Lorie, Jen, and Monica! :D thank god that it was regular admission though (you didn't need a wristband for the floor)...Sara and I *squeezed* our way into the front for Deadsy heheh :D Aw and I saw Aimee and Jaimie! LOl they both looked very cute.. I liked Aimee's little black hat :D xoxoxoo
Amanda <witchyxpoo@aol.com>
Burbank, CA -

you're going to the hob show emily?? Yay!! Can't wait to see you and others who are going....how was Deadsy performance?
ellen <fiendfeme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Erika!!! I am going to the static-x show at the HOB!!! E-mail me. Where do I meet you??? Go early!!! I went tonight.. it was crazy!!!! Very cool seeing tripp!!!
Emily
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...so what the fuck happened to jamie's hand? looked at that mangled-ass finger, for christs sake
kidneythief
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that's rocknroll now JJ; i dont know if'n or not yall heard, but there have been rumors of Staind tour cancellations because aaron lewis threw out his back playing golf. *ROFLMAO*
kt
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oh my god far to many words for my liking but hey! thats what this place is here for!

Malcolm did you go to Reading Festival - i need to know if it was the same shit as Leeds was! cos that was excellent! 2nd best festival i have ever been to! and i thought Amen were supposed to be hardcore, cuts himself, fucked up, dangerous band but they are so not! the hardest thing Casey said was " lets beat up the bouncers " i mean why? they're there for a reason you fucking half-wit! - so anyway that was my rant about Amen!
jen jen
manchester, uk -

it takes three hours of nothing to do with the ship sinking to get to that point though; in the mean time, you get to see one genuinely awesome shot of a man hitting the prop on his way down to the water right before the whole damn thing snaps in half as if it were american-made
kt
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The ships sinks?! What do you mean, the ship sinks? f@#@! Damnit I've never seen Titanic. now you've gone and spoiled the ending...
hcw
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---oh, it SO would be! he doesn't even have to sing on it; he could just be sitting somewhere in the video bobbing his head
kt
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i actually enjoyed what's eating gilbert grape. i was stating an opinion that the only movies leo does that are good are when he plays himself such as his role in what's eating gilbert grape. i just don't find leo to be a good actor.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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I think you guys should just get it over with and do a song with fred.It would be huge!
The Big Grabowski
Burbank, Ca -

hey now...careful...how can you knock a flick like What's Eating Gilbert Grape? i mean, honestly? i don't see where, not knowing at the time it was made where the various cast members' careers were going to go, it could be percieved as a bad film. i could see mediocre, but i don't buy into this lets-all-kill-leonarthy mcdaprio-or-whatever-his-name-is, because i form no biases based on reaction to the film itself. i thought even the beach was slightly better than average, when pitted up against the other flicks that came out at its time. no bones about it, no bones no bones
kt
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oh - and jeepers creepers is quite a disappointment. i suggest you wait till video.
hyp again
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kt - and i respect your opinion. now i'll tell you why i refuse to watch that movie. first off - pansy ass leonardo dicapro just ruins any movie. except for when he acts like his true self *hence* what's eating gilbert grape. second - all the hype surrounding the movie turned me off. nor did i want to spend almost 3 hours sitting there just waiting for the lovely 5 minutes of when leo's character finally dies. call me crazy but a lot of the time when hollywood runs out of ideas on what kind of movie to make next and picks up a story based on real life - it's usually killed. i was obsessed with the titanic story when i was a kid, but by the time that movie came out i had outgrown my obsession. nor was i about to go out and watch some cheesy ass love story that drags on and on till the ship fucking sinks. call me crazy - but that's just my opinion.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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why would ANYONE in their right mind REFUSE to see titanic? who would ever voluntarily deprive themselves of such an awesome experience? such a fantastic sensory whirly-gig about a great big boat and the boy (and girl) that loved [in] him? What ruined titanic for me, my friends, was not leowhatever-his-italian-name-is, nor was it james cameron's pretentious and often overwraught melodrama sequencing throughout, and you all know what? it wasn't the fact that none of it was true that bothered me either. i could deal with billy zane..i could DEAL with kate winslet and bill fucking paxton; what i just couldn't sit through, though, with any semblance of comfort WHATSOEVER was the final scene in which that old bag throws that fucking rock overboard and it's lost forever in the void. WTF?!?! what about bill fucking paxton's grant money? what in god's name is going on THERE?! how much dough did bill fucking paxton's character have to cough up just to get out there and look for this thing, before he finally found out, which must occur, i'm assuming, after the film's closing credits and life goes on. and another thing! kathy bates was heinously miscast as the "unsinkable" molly brown, because the plain, incontrovertible plum fact of it is, my friends, is that you simply cannot have kathy bates on your fucking movie unless she's in a leading role. fact! FACT i tell you. Leonard Maltin is so full of shit, my friends, that it's unfathomable. i read his critiques in our store-copy of his 1997 movie encyclopedia, and i just want to violently heave everywhere. all over his stupid book. where was i? oh yeah, titanic! so yeah whatever, y'know? cameron's a pompous ass ("lets all have a moment of silence for the 1200 souls lost that night...now we're going to go and drink until dawn!...i'm KING OF THE WORLD"*raises trophy*) and leonarsomething-or-other is now a lurid recluse because of that film, and no one can figure out or get over kate winslet's body, i honestly didn't think titanic was so horrible a flick. but that's just...you know, my opinion and shit.
kt
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What?? Erika?? You are not coming?? What is going on?? I got my ticket. "General Admission" lol.. no balcony. We are going early though. Erika!!!!!! Come!!!!!!!!
Emily
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have fun amanda....
-erika
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ah - tonight i'm going to see jeepers creepers. and i bet i'll be sitting there laughing during the whole thing. all these apparent "scary" movies are nothing more then a laugh fest for someone like me. kt - i'm probably another one of those people that has seen way too many movies. i don't even like going to the video store anymore cuz i've basically seen it all. with the exception of movies like titanic which i refuse to see.
anyway this now seems pointless. take care. byebye.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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Hey Natalie! Just wondering how you can see the Start again for the first time?? Have fun tho - sure do wish it was me who was going!!
rae again
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Hello all! Anybody else go to Leeds or Reading??? Sure wasn't a disappointment me thinks!! Went on Rock day only tho so missed P J Harvey which was a bugger but nevermind cos SOAD made up for it - never a bad show!! Did nebody else think Papa Roach were disappointing?? Hope you guys are all well!! The new site in Nice with a capital N. Perhaps it will become more homely soon! Rae XX
Rae C <redhotraepepper@yahoo.com>
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hey. how is everyone? Aimee!! I got weezer tickets! So ill be seeing you at jones beach when the time comes. lol i'll be seeing theSTART again for the first time.
natalie
ny -

Agreed, Fiona, agreed! It's about time Garbage had something new out too...yay!
Bronagh <bronagh@deaddesire.org>
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First off, KT...dude, you crack me up. I can read one line of your messages as I scroll down and I know it's you. The last one you wrote I particularily (sp?) enjoyed. Second, you all need to go to www.cadaverinc.com Oh my god, it has to be the coolest site I have ever been to. I guess the band Cadaver, Inc. decided to make a joke website featuring corpse removal, etc, and they are all being investigated by the Norway Special police or whatever. You guys need to see the site before it gets taken down. Just remember, it IS a joke. But like, you can call their "hotline" and actually talk to someone who "works" for them. I called, thinking it would be a recording or whatever, and when the guy picked up, I got scared and hung up. It is super weird, but so INTERESTING! -Alex
Alex
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showstoppers video is now equipped with a wonderful knick-knack known to the likes of you folk as caller ID. before i even pick up the telephone now i can run their phone number through the database to discern whether or not they have outstanding balances in late charges on their accounts or how often they rent or even if they rewinded their last movies. i've even started to leave memos on customer accounts describing any beligerence or ill video store etiquette. The following is a customer "grading rubric" if you will, to guage just how you will be handled here. infractions are logged in the customer account memos as points for each: 1)bringing seventeen squealing cub scouts and renting eleven flicks, 2)asking if it might have been Cast Away or the Mexican that some other customer just returned to me every time some one drops their flicks off, 3)asking to use the restroom and not flushing, 4)asking if their seventeen squealing cubscouts can use the restroom (and then not flushing), 5)complaining about the film that's being "previewed" by my coworker and/or myself on our single television which is perched atop the soft-drink refridgerator, 6)taking the last of the minute made orange sodas from said machine, memtioning the dreaded "B" word on the premises, no matter what the context, 7)asking if the popcorn in the GODFORSAKEN popcorn machine is fresh, 8) reading aloud the backs of every film case you pick up, 9) asking me the question "what's good?" as if i'm fluent in your tastes and standards and know all of what you have and have not seen, 10)complaining about the amout of sex in movies these days and then renting your children the most graphically violent motion pictures ever made, 11)calling every fifteen minutes from home to ask if your desired film has come back yet, 12)the utterance of any snide or sarcastic remark pertaining to my job as a video store clerk and just how much responsibility i maintain in said position, 13)denying your late charges (two and a half years at the counter of a videostore has equipped me with unparallelled bullshit-sensing capabilities), 14)having your little teenage mall creature run in and ask me for any of the following: Bring It On, 10 Things I Hate About You, She's All That, American Pie, Loser, Down to You, Josie and the Pussycats, Get Over It, Save the Last Dance, Head Over Heels, or any other film exhibiting any of the other "actors" you would find therein, 15) attempting to convince me in any way that there is artistic merit in any of the films listed above, 16) complaining about "the smell in here", 17)using our copy machine to make four or five copies and then sliding me a credit card, 18) sliding me a credit card for anything other than late charges over thirty-dollars (before, of course, i tell you that we don't take plastic), 19) writing me hot checks, 20)Assuming for even a few fleeting seconds that you could out-criticize me when it comes to any film, and that your taste supercedes mine in any way, even ones i have not seen, because very few people alive have seen as many movies as i have, and those few people are either video store clerks themselves or quadripalegic. And last but not least, my friends, it is important to know that all "professional critics" are completely full of shit, and that nothing they say is valid because it takes getting paid to perform a task that needs no monetary compensation to inflate one's ego and alter one's vernacular (don't ever use the term "avant-garde" in any sentence related to the critique of any film to me, or you will be harshly reprimanded) to the extent that they could ever believe, beyond any stretch of the imagination, that they have anything on me what...so...ever...i love my job.
kt
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the palace is general admission, but when the bands are as "big" as static-x, they do send people off to the balcony. that happened last time i saw static at the palace. they give you a wrist band and then send you off to your "seat"....it sucks. i shall go to the hob instead..
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Rejoice! The new garbage single has been released for radio play and it's great. yaaaaay. RUmour has it they are touring the UK in November!! Now would i love to see theStart play on that tour... ho hum. Hope you are all well. Fiona x
Fiona
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I thought that The Palace was general admission, too. But that's what it said on ticketmaster I guess. *shrugs* I dunno. And omg there's new pix on the site??! Hmm I must go check them out now...
Linds
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hey guys there's new pics on this site! check it out, it's cool.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Balcony seats?? lol.. I always thought the tickets are general adimission. Erika- I saw the System of A down video today. umm.. I don't know what look like. But the video was cool.
Emily
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I just wanted to say that I saw Aimee Echo in '98 when she was with Human Waste Project. She kicks ass! HWP was awesome, but I really dig the Start. And, I hope to see them live when they come to Denver!
Vance Smith
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Yes I do believe the Static show may infact sell out. Because I was talk9ing to my friend Jen last night and when she went to buy her tickets for the show at the Palace she said she got crappy balcony tickets. So if balcony is all that's left you better hurry up, girl!
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

alright - it's time to reveal my site's new location. welcome to theSTART has moved. click on my name to go there. and thank you to the one person who sent me their link! take care. byebye.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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i only started listening to the start a few days ago. i'm gonna start listening to the start more often. one of these days, i'm gonna start a band. one of these days i'm gonna open up your brain!
Zaki <zakiyounis@home.com>
bonita, ca usa -

Love theStart saw them on mtv2, love there song. Does anyone know when the Start is comeing back to pittsburgh,pa
Rebecca <witchcraftpwr@aol.com>
Pittsburgh, PA -

Does anybody know if the static-x show is going to be "sold out" if I don't get tickets from ticketmaster???
Emily
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G'day heretics! to the boy thats super upset on missing out on theSTART on the weezer show, i understand, but they STILL are touring with incubus..so calm n see them on that tour. seee? alls better. i just recently heard about the START getting on the weezer show myself, and they are playing a relatively "huge" place here, its where the bulls play basketball, and since i didnt buy tickets as soon as everyone else did, im comtimplating buying a $30 ticket to see theSTART frum miles away... since when is weezer a stadium band? hmph...well yay to the START for getting on such a splendid tour! bi bi.
SteFanie RaYna <raynarain@aol.com>
chicago, il usa -

G'day heretics! to the boy thats super upset on missing out on theSTART on the weezer show, i understand, but they STILL are touring with incubus..so calm n see them there. seee? alls better. i just recently heard about them getting on the weezer show myself, and they are playing a relatively "huge" place here, its where the bulls play basketball, and since i didnt buy tickets as soon as everyone else, im comtimplating buying a $30 to see theSTART frum miles away... since when is weezer a stadium band? hmph...well yay to the START for getting on such a splendid tour! bi bi.
SteFanie RaYna <raynarain@aol.com>
chicago, il usa -

kt: maybe she's in his backyard. who knows just quite where. some "psychic" claimed to be getting messages from her spirit. and apparently this "psychic" made a tape and sent it to her family and the police or something. but i guess this lady wasn't too *psychic* afterall. cuz if she was for real they woulda found her by now wouldn't they?
hypnaughtika
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i don't KNOW! that's just it. that's WHY i'm obsessed. with OJ it was just like...ok, so theyre dead and all the speculation is over whether or not he did it. with this, on the other hand, someone has completely vanished. making somebody disappear off the face of the earth without a FUCKING TRACE is a very difficult thing to do nowadays. something like 85 percent of all missing persons cases are solved and closed within the timeframe she's been missing. its just...WHERE IS SHE?!?!
kt
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okay..so thestart will be on the weezer tour and the incubus one....hmmm..are they still opening up for family values tour on the westcoast? how about that artists against racism tour? oh..well.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP!!!!!! I DID NOT KNOW THE START WOULD BE PLAYING WITH WEEZER. I WORK OVERNIGHTS AND TOTALLY MISSED OUT ON GETTING TICKETS TO THE ST. PAUL SHOW WHICH IS SOLD OUT NOW. I THOUGHT THEY WERE OPENING FOR INCUBUS AND NEVER HEARD ABOUT WEEZER. SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP. I CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY $200 ON EBAY FOR A PAIR OF TICKETS. I CAN'T MISS THEM, PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE, ANYBODY HELP ME OUT. IF THE BAND READS THIS PLEASE HELP ME, I REALLY WANT TO SEE THE BAND LIVE AND WHO KNOWS WHEN THE NEXT TIME MIGHT BE. ALL I LISTEN TO ANYMORE IS SHAKEDOWN. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM GOING TO GO NUTS, GOD I HATE TICKETMASTER!!!!!!!!!!! THEY GAVE ME MY WEEKLY PRE-SALE NOTICE THE DAY AFTER TICKETS WENT ON SALE!!!!!!!!!
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN 56601 -

its too hot here-- anyone go to the Inland Invasion- it was soo much fun-
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca usa -

kt: i can't believe you're obsessed with it. i'm sick of seeing it on tv and fuck i don't even live in the us. he lies, admits then denies. it'll all catch up to him sooner or later. so kt...what is your theory? where do you think she is?
hypnaughtika
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i'vent been here in forever! is there anything new with theSTART?
tara <clearheart@tragicpurity.net>
PA -

...to the person who was wondering who Condit is, of course. all summer long i was glued to CNN, CNN Headline, CNBC, MSNBC, and FOX News until four in the morning every night. i'm OBSESSED with this fucking thing.
kt
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scroll downward and read the fictional escapades of Jimmy Shoe the Fourth, and you'll have just about as good an idea of what's up with him as any of us.
kt
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yeah...everyone in the airplane died...i saw the diary show too...she seemed like a very cool person...and eric foreman, her hair stylist, i believe, was also killed...i him on that show too...so sad.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

I can't believe theSTART was dropped off the 104 fest here in Hartford. Anyone know what the reason was? I know they had issues with their record label but that's all. Cheers, Remi
Remi <nebands@home.com>
Bristol, CT USA -

Man, I honestly really liked Aaliyah. She was so talented, and such a beautiful woman. I watched her diary, and was seriously impressed on how she has such an awesome attitude about the things she did. And she was open to other forms of music, as well. The world really lost a talented person. 22 years old, man. RIP.
Alex
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What is the deal with Gary Condit?...Who is he, sorry I'm a bit inept...please help me out!
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a cessna 402 in the bahamas, only 75 feet off the runway from which it launched. 6 others killed, one survivor. weirds me out. just weirds me out...
kt
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Well, Hi Jen, Hi Bronagh, and thanks Mikey. I'm just back after a 50 Hour party at a flat near me. Marijuana and Absinthe played a large part. Has anyone ever seen a Manga Video entitled "General Chaos"? Very trippy.
I didn't know about Aaliyah. And for once I have to say, forget anyone trying to act all underground and "Oh, I hate pop" and all that, she was an incredibly talkented artist, and it's a damn shame.

Oh, and yes, GARY CONDIT SHOULD BURN IN HELL!!!!!. I wonder if the cops will find him in a bathtub out back, having scrawled the words "Mummy, i've been a bad bad boy on the wall in his own blood.... Just a thought... :o)
Metal Malcolm
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HELLLLLOOOOOO!!!!!!! god i haven't been here for ages! so how are you all?.....i've just got back from Ireland and that was loads of fun! i went to the west coast and then spent 2 days in Dublin...didn't see you Bronagh!!! mind you i was very drunk at the time!

i spent the best day of the year (manchesters Gayfest) with my mates and my potential new bird! i had a really good day and i thought that you would all like to know! i'm off now cos i gotta get to the Gay Village before the Vigil starts and i need to by a candle! love to you all BYEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Jen Jen
manchester, uk -

I haven't been here in soooo long! It's been even longer since I checked out the new Speakout board, but I'm going to have a look now to laugh at all the girls with raging hormones! Malcolm - I was hoping they'd support Weezer in Europe too (even if it meant going to Glasgow to see them) but I doubt it'll happen. I'd prefer to see them headlining in Dublin anyhow! =) I need to update my fansite, I've been slacking! I have loads of stuff to add...ack! Damn my lazy ways!
Bronagh <bronagh@deaddesire.org>
Dublin, Ireland -

hopefully, she is resting in peace....that's what i meant!
-erika
USA -

hopefully we'll have you back linds. aaliyah really died? how awefull, hopefully she is fine. did you all go to the kroq, inland invasion?
-erika
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So....a few non important things I'd like to post right now. First of all....god it's been ages since I've posted here. It's about time I did. Second of all.....god I am s0o0o0o excited for theSTART! So many damn things going on for them! I cannot believe Alien Ant Farm is an opening act for the MTV VMA's...maybe next year theSTART will be! I swear. I am moving back to California in NOVEMBER (as I try to hold back from wetting myself) so I hope theSTART starts playing the clubs in Hollyweird by then. I am so excited. I AM SICK OF ARIZONA! Jesus. Okay and one more thing.....I know most people here probably don't like Aaliyah, but I am very upset cause I just found out she died in a plane crash. How awful. Her carrear had JUST begun and she was so tallented and beautiful. God I am still in shock...
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

GARY CONDIT IS A LYING SCUMBAG. there i said it, and you all know what? it felt really good. i was proud of connie, i damn well was. i was only dissappointed by the fact that even though she asked all the right questions, she didn't get into his face, grab him by the collar, shake him roughly and scream into his face "WHERE IS SHE YOU LYING FUCK!?!?"...like i would have.
kt <blowupdisneyland@hotmail.com>
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I'm sorry Malcolm but it don't look like they are :( Got this from the weezer site "the start" and "cold" will be opening on all usa dates (9.11 to 9.29) But are not listed for Europe, and the Gang are listed on the other site as doing a tour around the US with Incubus (I would LOVE to see those shows) around they same time as the Weezer tour in europe. But....*hint*....*hint*....They do have have nice gap in the middle to come to the UK...or just sleep
Mikey <sober@eidosnet.co.uk>
London, UK -

Firstly, aww, how sweet that Jeff might be back in touch with an old friend. Made my day that.

And by the way, am I misreading that, or are theSTART coming to the UK on the weezer tour? SOMEONE TELL ME!!!
Metal Malcolm <metalmalcolm@hotmail.com>
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kt-LOL, i always wanted to try to call that and see what she'd say about my life. but i can't ever get them to take off my 900# block LOL. oh well, i could see it coming. ANYONE who runs a 900# is crazy ~jacinda~ =)
Jacinda <cchamber77@aol.com>
Near Dallas, TX USA -

hey yall, miss cleo's in some shit; she's being prosecuted for fraud in like thirteen different states
kt
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well im a happy little bunny i found shakedown! in hmv, god bless them i couldnt believe it i nearly fainted with suprise and screamed in my friends ear lmao well it aint been off my cd player since i got it its great, neway im sure u all already knew this but well i had to say sorry lmao bye bye
sway <voodoo_29982@hotmail.com>
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i really didn't mean to post that twice
kt
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i like so totally useta like Mark McGrath but like oh my GAWD! *ROFLMAO*
kt
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oh my GAWD jeff and scott and like jamie are like SOOOOOO hot, oh my GAWD oh my GAWWWWD...LOL
kt
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when is theSTART going to play La again???.....i need them.
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Hello Heretics. Im glad that some good new fans have come to the old speak out. i attempted talking on the new one, simply because the old speakout, everyone seems to know eachother and talk to just eachother and i still dont know anyone, but on the new board, there are a disgraceful ammount of posts about "how hot so n so is". Not that you can really expect much frum most Sugar Ray fans, but its splendid to see the tour got a few cool new fans. if anyone wants to talk, i encourage u to e mail me! no one i know understands who the START is, and im anxious to speak about them!
SteFanie RaYna <raynarain@aol.com>
Chicago, IL USA -

Ok, so maybe I'm not quite an old skool fan but the other speak out is confusing and the only thing that people are writing about is "hotties" in the band so I felt like I was on an N'SYNC site. I just heard of theSTART a few months ago when I was dragged to a Sugar Ray concert by my best friend. At the time I lived in the "wonderful" town of Sierra Vista, AZ where the only bands that we have ever gotten are Foreigner and Wayne Chung. I figured if all else failed I could harass Mark Mcgrath for being a sell out. I dreaded the concert for the whole 6 hours that we stood in line so my friend could see Mark up close. However when theSTART came on all of my ill feelings automatically went away. Those six hours were worth it!They immediately bacame one of my favorite bands. They are amazing!! It took me almost two months to find their c.d. and I think that is disgraceful! We need to spread the word about theSTART. I do any chance I get. The band is great and they really deserve it. Are they ever coming back to Arizona? I need another fix!
Jennifer Goodwin <ninfreak666@hotmail.com>
Flagstaff, AZ United States -

hey everyone. attention! all webmasters of sites on thestart - i need your help. i want to gather a list of all the fan sites so please submit your site's ulr and title of the site to the email address beside my name. i want an updated list for my links page on my site (which will be up very soon). so if you can help me out - i'd appreciate it very much! take care.
hypnaughtika <welcometothestart@yahoo.com>
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A very dear friend of mine from back home, Rachel Warren, posted a message here on the Speak Out and I got all excited to get in touch with her because I haven't seen her in years! But the email address she left doesn't work. Maybe she wanted it that way. But if not, and you do want to get in touch, Rachel, post another message with some way to get a hold of you. I'll be in SD in September.
Jeff J
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FIONA my boyfriend is going to reading, sorry LOL. he likes heavier music, but i turned him onto the start, so he's excited about them coming there ESPECIALLY since he loves cold and his brother loves weezer so it's perfect:) anyways, i REALLY think cold is an odd band to play with that lineup but hell, if they wanna cool. where do you live in the uk anyways, i'll be going there to see my boyfriend in england nov. 20-27th! ~jacinda~
Jacinda <cchamber77@aol.com>
Near DALLAS, TX USA -

i have to complain FIRST, i HATE the new message board, i just like seeing the topics like they do on there, but this one is so simple. i ended up looking like a dumb ass when one thing i sent went twice because i got errors then i said sorry about sending it 2xs then that went up 3 times because of errors, CRAZY! ANYWAYS, what i wanna know is, IS the START going to be playing any other shows in the u.s. with weezer because if they're playing a tour with them in europe i would HOPE they would here too, but life isn't that grand for someone in TX:) here's this i found for all you europeans... ODD LINE UP BUT MY BOYFRIEND LIVES THERE SO I'M ALWAYS ON THE LOOK OUT FOR UK INFO TOO!:) Weezer have lined up Scott Shriner of Broken as the temporary replacement bassist for their impending U.S. tour for which both Cold and theSTART have now been tapped to open on all dates. In other news, the band have also announced the tentative schedule for their forthcoming European Tour, it shapes up as follows: October 09th Copenhagen, Denmark - Vega October 10th Hamburg, Germany - Gross Freiheit October 11th Berlin, Germany - Columbiahalle October 13th Koln, Germany - E Werk October 15th Munich, Germany - Colosseum October 16th Stuttgart, Germany - Congresszentrum B October 17th Zurich, Switzerland - Volkshaus October 19th Paris, France - La Mutualite October 20th TBA - TBA October 21st TBA - TBA October 22nd TBA - TBA October 24th Gent, Belgium - Vooruit October 26th Tilburg, Holland - 013 October 28th London, UK - Brixton Academy October 29th Southhampton, Eng - Guildhall October 31st Birmingham, England - Que Club (Sound City Radio 1 Show) November 01st Manchester, UK - Apollo November 02nd Glasgow, Scotland - Barrowlands
Jacinda <cchamber77@aol.com>
Near DALLAS, TX USA -

yes, i am.
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Erika are you going down to San Diego??
Emily
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Hello people. Is anyone going to the Weezer and theSTART concert in San Diego? If you are the tickets are on pre-sale...the password is :: island ::....good luck. The seats aren't that great, there is no floor on-sale. HAVE FUN!!! Oh yeah, the total comes out to 39.95, but theSTART is worth it! also Weezer.
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Shame on Mike Young!!! Mister Sinder Man forgot to mention the 1st and offical Sinder club...Oh well, shameless plug time go check out the Sinder club at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/sinder pretty pleasse... Go check it out and join if you like...mwa ha ha ha...
Lorie
Los Angeles, CA -

I really don't like Hemlock. How is this semester starting out for everyone?
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca 92804 -

you owe me a dollar...lol! pay up!
-erika
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Darn!! Erika you won!! His name is A-V-O !!! lol.. I asked mark. He was like "the afro guy?" lol.. I was like "yes the one with the backpack" lol... I lost!! darn!
Emily
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What happened with that DJ on KRock? Can I kick his ass? I would love to do a story on it for this underground art magazine in the city, let me know if you guys are up to it.
Michelle <Shimonbong@aol.com >
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well, malcolm, because he was right. he was very, very right about little ole jesse. and soon we won't have to put up with his hampering anymore.
kt
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Hey everyone, come check out Sinder this Monday at the Troubadour, Its a free show! but if youre under 21 its 3 bucks. Hemlock, 40 grit, american murder, implant are also playing. See ya there. Mike Young www.dethroned.net/sinder our site www.mp3.com/sinder download us
Mike Young of Sinder <lTormenTl@hotmail.com>
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Shakedown Reviews!Unearthed.comby Dead Lesa! | PRP | NW Music Media (in New Releases) start here, start here: ~the START sends thanks to Teresa Hall for sending the review links!

human <human@thestart.org>
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haha - alright...i stumbled across this review. i'm not sure if this has been posted already though. but i sure did have a nice laugh cuz this journalism deserves about a 2 outta 5. so have a read and laugh at this horrible attempt to construct a review.
theSTART offers little variety in heavy punk offering
By Andrew Shaw Staff reporter July 26, 2001
theSTART "SHAKEDOWN!" Geffen 2001 2 of 5 Stars
In the same musical vein as poser-futuristic bands like Orgy, theSTART's debut album, "SHAKEDOWN!," blends late '70s synthesizer-laden new wave with a heavier modern sound.
Although many similar elements exist between Orgy and theSTART, including a mechanically exact rhythm section, sweeping buzzsaw guitars and prominent synthesizers, theSTART has an original sound derived from the band's underground past.
Formed from members of the defunct Human Waste Project and Snot, theSTART has an extreme punk feel, fueled by the raspy and unbridled vocals of Aimee Echo.
But to say that putting together components from the '70s, '80s and '90s makes your band's sound "from the future" is as absurd as the Jetsons' world of flying cars and robot maids.
theSTART will only appeal to a small audience searching for a flat-lining adrenaline rush. By the time track three spins around, the listener has experienced everything the band has to offer.

The remainder of the album is painfully unrelenting, pushing forward in the same tempo and heavy punk feel until it stops being energizing and becomes downright laborious.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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Fiona - I'm not going to reading this year, the first time in three years, and i'm pissed about it. But hey...
kt, why am I reminded of Bill Hicks again for some reason? :o) And yes, the news of Jesse retiring needs many more exclamation marks. So here's a few

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Metal Malcolm
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Opening bands for the static-x show is Deadsy and Apex
Emily
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have fun fiona- take sunblock..he he he!
-erika
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Any UK people going to Reading Festival? Im going Saturday i think which is the crappest day in terms of bands i like, but the tickets are free so what the hell!
Fiona
London, UK -

all apologies about the double post eariler!
natalie
ny -

hyp, you never bore me.
kt
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hey hey. doesn't seem to be too much activity going on around here. and i've got nothing of interest to add to here, but i am working on moving my site to a new location. and i hope to have it up later this week. not that anyone cares, but you know. anyway - i'm gonna go. sorry to bore you. take care everyone.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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The following story if a complete work of fiction. Any resemblence to actual events or people is entirely coincidental: Once upon a time, in a nation where the people never quite knew how to put up with themselves or eachother, an obscure leader from an obscure state (we’ll call him Senator Jimmy Shoe, IV) got himself into a whole heap of trouble over a young lady who stapled his papers, and goshdarn it, he just plum didn’t know what to do about it. It seemed ole Senator Shoe had had his plenty of women on the side, but one of them up and disappears without a trace. Much to Senator Shoe’s dismay, this lil lady happened to go and tell her family about their trapsin’ and cavortin’ around together. Now when this got out, it really spelled trouble for ole Senator Shoe. Serious t-r-o-u-b-l-e. So after about three weeks or so the Law come lookin’ around his place huntin’ for clues and askin’ whereabouts she might be. Ole Senator Shoe even lied to the Law, oh, about their trapsin’ and all. When the lil lady’s family found out, they were might and justly pissed off---and demanded Senator Shoe be hooked up to some ‘lectric mojo can tell if’n or not he’s lyin’ about anything. All sortsa hooplah got thrown up over that one…they got to debatin’ nonstop on six CNN channels over whether’re not he’s a lyin’ sinnin’ murderer. So a special team of ‘private’ with a capital P investigators got together and gave him a puddypololymagraph, giving the results to the police as passing. Little did the Law know that ole Senator Shoe hired the so-called private with a capital P investigators to rig the whole thing, thinking it would throw them off and clear his name…but that didn’t happen. Over the passing weeks, all those nutty newsycasters on all those nutty newsy channels talked about for hours every night, until it seemed the American folks just plum got tired of all the talk, and after a while, nobody mentioned that lil lady or Senator Joe Shoe the Fourth for a reeeaal long time. It wasn’t until months and months after all the talk died away that over the period of a single week, seventeen women came forward claiming to have been involved with ole Shoe at one point or another, a few of them even had babies as proof. Seems all those lil ladies had just had it with the silence, and came out with stories of bizarre slavery rings and massive tax frauds and what all those Washin’ton bigwigs call “budget-surplus” thefts, and all sortsa crazy, sinful awfulness. Once the evidence of the horrid treasonous crimes linking Shoe to the lil lady surfaced, the media went completely ape-shit. The final showdown of the story was a dewy Sunday, when at around seven in the AM the news first broke. Shoe woke up for his shave and shower right around the same time the federal task force strapped on their kevlar vests and loaded their heckler and koch fully automatic 9mm assault pistols. After he slipped on his velvet red bathrobe, he heard his fax machine erupt. When he went down to the lounge to get it, he discovered hundreds of faxes which had been pouring incessantly throughout the night, all with pertinent and vital developing information on his legal situation. The last several faxes simply asked if he was watching TV, and that if he wasn’t, and he was still standing there to do so, that he might want to turn it on. On his way to the living room he put two English Muffins into the toaster. When he turned the TV on he paused for a moment at the awkward similarity between the apartment lobby on the screen and the one in his building. Before he could shake the thought off, he recognized his doorman. All around on the live CNN report were black-clad, armed to the teeth agents pressing his floor button in the elevator and running toward his floor fire exit in the stairwell. Right before the Law busted in on ole Senator Shoe, the English Muffins popped from the toaster all backened and smoky. The feds found him in his bedroom a few spits later, on his bed with his brains spread out like strawberry jelly across the ceiling above him, and a silver .357 magnum in his left hand. Next to his bed the night-table drawer was pulled out and lying on the floor; under the box of Remington .357 magnum bullets, from which only a single round is missing, lay stacks and stacks of polaroids, and video tapes and audio recordings and journals and diaries explaining to the very hilt of it all what really happened to that little lady he trapsed around with.
kidneythief <blowupdisneyland@hotmail.com>
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jesse helms is retiring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kt
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the hook is deep, my friends. the hook is very, very deep. *click click spark*
kt
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Anybody want to go down to San Diego to go see the show?? I so want to go!!!
Emily
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i also just found out theSTART are going to be playing with weezer, how freakin amazing is that? now my question is where. i know its gonna be in september (please tell me its an east coast thing or a NY thing!!) Also if someone can help me out **Human** :o) are the start playing the radio 104 fest in Hartford CT on september 3rd? i need to know very soon! love u all
natalie
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Hey everyone, remember Dean from Maryland? I can't remember the las time he vistited the board, but if anyone has his e-mail, could you post it, just to let him know about theSTART playin up there. Don't want him to miss it. He was really nice.
Lex
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yup theSTART and Weezer- what a great concert!
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca usa -

i just heard the start are going on tour with weezer and cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wooooo
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katie where are you?
-erika
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erika...YES, I did see those people get hit with the firecrackers!!! The second one that was thrown was only, like, five rows behind me! But the person hit was ok I think...I hope so anyway! And, YES, Personal Jesus was definitely a highlight and Never Let Me Down Again with the whole place waving their hands around was amazing too! :)haha I want to relive that concert all over again!!! xoxoxoxo
AMANDA <witchyxpoo@aol.com>
Burbank, CA -

theSTART will be performing at 5 points music hall in Birmingham ALABAMA 8/20 and at The Mill 8/21... At Bohagers in Baltimore Maryland 8/24 for the 5 o'clock shadow for HFS see you there...
hcw
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i smoked for like 7 years & quit by going to a hypnotist. i dont know how it worked but for $49.95, im not complaining, it's been over a year now. it only takes 72 hours for the physical nicotine addiction to leave your body, so if you make it past than w/o smoking, youve conquered. it's alot mental too so good lucka
BaTTy
chitown, -

Wait, I know that guy... like oh-ma-gawd... Jeff Jaeger???? You guys sound & look HOT! Congrats to ya Jeff! You never sease to amaze and/or impress! I admire you relentlessly, you actually did what you always said and wanted to do,followed your dream. It's a total inspiration to see someone actually achieve their dream!!!! just me, ...rachel...(Ray-Chul)
Rachel Warren <rwsweq@pacbell.net>
SanDiego, CA U.S. -

Hey kt, well, I've smoked on and off for a while, and you really don't wanna know how much pot I do at University. If your best friend lives next to a dealer...well..you can guess. I sing too, and not too badly. But as it's only been one off gigs, I just learn to take it real easy the week before. I actually lost my voice the morning of a gig before, and believe me, the combination of red wine, pineapple juice and throat pastilles works wonders.

Oh, and by the way. I've just finished a three day long partying spree. I was drinking and smoking from 11am friday till 6pm Sunday, when I went to sleep. It was....interesting.....
Metal Malcolm
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MTV IS NEW CONTAGIOUS DISEASE THAT ATTACKS AT THE CENTRAL NERVE SYSTEM...
You Know It...
Los Angeles, CA -

anyone know when the video comes on monday????? eastern western??? thanks!
help!
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i want to see the video tomorrow(monday) WHAT TIME IS IT AT???????? eastern?pacific?
HELP!
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if any one of you have ever had similar pains, and you went to the doctor and were diagnosed with some horrid bleeding lung thing, i don't want to hear about it. i'm serious. keep that shit to your self. i really wouldn't be able to handle that kind of prospect and i live with an RN (my mom) so i was raised in and around hospitals. long story short, i hate doctors and whatever they usually have to tell me. thanks for your consideration.
kt
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has anyone seen that movie Josie and the Pussycats? i don't think product placement is very funny. at all. if youre doing it, youre FUCKING DOING IT
kt
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i smoked a pack of reds for the past two years, in addition to about two or three (sometimes four or five) bowls of marijuana EVERY fucking day. i started getting these spells about three weeks (goddamn disturbed SUCKS) ago where i get this severe pain in my chest that lasts for about thirty minutes where i have to breath really shallow and i can't inhale to take a deep breath. they always last a short time and go away. i figured once this started happening, i might as well quit. right now i have to say that the gum is working just enough to keep me from going completely insane, and i guess that will do. i actually have a bottle of those pills; my pops tried quitting with those but gave up, and never used his prescription. so should i munch some of those too? or just stick with the gum? what's the best call here? i was looking at some photo of Aimee and Scott both smoking in the live photo section, and i cant figure out how they can do that---i'd fucking die. especially Aimee, having to belt it out every goddamn night. how does ANYone smoke and sing or even play in a touring band? how is that anatomically POSSIBLE?
kt
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KT, i don't post much on this board, just usually read up on what people have to say about the START, but i thought i'd respond to your smoking habit (seeing as how i love your sarcasim in your posts-you tell stories like me). how long have you smoked? my brother is in the same boat you're in and he's smoked for 5 years and he's 21. he tried all that stuff to, even the patches. he's on the pill right now, and that's the only thing that's helping even a LITTLE bit. so i say make a trip to the doc's and see what they say!:) i'm glad i never took up that habit! ~jacinda~
Jacinda <cchabmer77@aol.com>
near dallas, tx usa -

Hey everyone. long time no post. well i MISSED the show in NY...they finished RIGHT before i got there!!! I still got to hang out with the band, that was very cool. How is everyone doing?
natalie
ny -

Way to go Kt....stop killing yourself!
-erika
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I am going to my friend's house on monday just to finally see the Video!!! Amiee is introducing it. But we can't even tape cable!! that's so sucky!!! Anyway.. when are they going to add it to mtv one!! For us poor people who doesn't get mtv2. I am sick of the watching the J-lo videos and Sum41, and the backstreet boys!!! Okay enough complaining.. I am going to the beach tomorrow. yeah!!!
Emily
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wtf? i didn't do that twice!
kt
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...and i am so tense i could chew through the chassis of this computer right now.
kt
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alright my friends...i decided today, after the past month's worth of severe chest pains, to quit smoking. i thought qutting pot a week ago after two and a half years of the two to three time a day habit would be enough, but the pains are just as bad. at noontoday i bought a thirty dollar box of this christ for saken gum, and a pack of american spirit herbal cigarettes. i went to a coffee shop and smoked half of one of those before some customer at the next table called the police from her cellular phone. apparently those things smell like pot when they're burning. that was one disappointed police officer, and that was one genuinely shitty-tasting cigarette. the gum burns, my friends! it buuuuuuuurrrns!!!
kt
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i'm sure there have have been extensive rhinoplasty, hair transplantation, and lyposuction, but the secret's out. Aimee, Jeff, Jamie, and Scott...the masquerade is over. We're on to yall
kt
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I like No Doubt?..why?--Fiona there is some sort of conspiracy...lol!--theSTART shall not be falling angels like start,the..or whatever they were called.
-erika
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Oh God - just browsing the Mtv2 website a second a go, and under the bio for theStart (or, 'Start, the') they've got a pic of the band, and then underneath it says: "This Icelandic pop-rock group was formed in 1980 by vocalist Petur Kristjansson and guitarist Kristjan Edelstein. Enlisting the services of Eirikur Haukson (guitar, vocals), Nikulas Robertson (keyboards), Jon Olafsson (bass, vocals) and David Karlsson (drums), they signed to the Steinar label the following year. They debuted with En Hun Snyst Nu Samt ; a predictable collection of soft-rock anthems with Icelandic vocals. They disappeared into oblivion, after representing Iceland in the Eurovision Song Contest." WTF!! Is this some sick conspiracy that would have us believe that theStart are from LA and formed just a couple of years ago, when in fact they ARE from Iceland, have been together since the 80s and entered the Eurovision Song Contest!! answers on a postcard...
Fiona
London, UK -

hey, uhh, does anyone here like no doubt?
maria <sparks_1@hotmail.com>
covina, ca usa -

Erika is smart???....lol!
-erika
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Yeah Ryan.. Erika figured out away for me to give the poster to you guys so I don't have to bring in to the palace.
Emily
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i'm here. so freaking sorry. i'll call and explain. p.s. never leave your friends numbers on the bed.....just a lil advice!
-erika
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hey guys! i saw you at the Sugar Ray concert at Fort Huachuca and i loved you guys!! i just bought your cd and it's so great! keep it coming, i'm hooked for sure! major girl power to you chickie!!!
Jessica <alwayshappy15@hotmail.com>
Douglas, AZ USA -

yeah I'll see you all at Static-X, should be interesting- thanks in advance Em for the Weezer poster, talk to you all soon-
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca USA -

Hey Ellen, do you know where erika is?? I am pretty worried after her dad call me and he was looking for her. umm..
Emily
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hi everyone, what's up? well i'm gonna see depeche mode tomorrow!! I really can't wait. Erika, Emily, Ryan, Alex....can't wait to have fun with you guys at the static-x show :)
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Erika it's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where are you ??? You know your dad called me?? he asked where you were.
Emily
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I have another question about merchandise... What do the shirts look like? Are there girls one's? Just curious..
lauRa
OZ -

ryan~ i'm a bad girl.. ha ha ha! dude i have a story to tell you with that word, you'll laugh. tell aimee we love her as well. talk to you soon doll. emily~ luck with your hair. love ya all
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Aimee wanted me to tell you guys she says HELLO!
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca USA -

Erika... don't use the C word-- that is dirty ha ha ha-- yeah DM was awesome. Fireworks and ass shaking-- interesting night with beautiful scenery. Hope you all had a good time I know that I did.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca usa -

does anyone know how the hell i can get some merchandise from the start? i didn;t have any money at the show
bitesized <whitepony80@hotmail.com>
atlanta, Ga United States -

I am bleaching my hair right now, so I can redye it pink.
Emily
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amanda~ did you see when those poor people were hit with the fireworks? what asses huh? hopefully they're fine. i think our(ry and mine)highlight was when they played. Personal Jesus!...."reach out touch and faith".... bye-
-erika
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I went to depeche mode last night...AMAZING is really the only word to describe it. *They played my favorite song, ENJOY THE SILENCE...whee :)* I didn't see any Orgy boys though.. :/ hahah I was too busy spazzing over dave gahan's "dancing" lol! xoxoxo
AMANDA <witchyxpoo@aol.com>
Burbank, Ca -

the word is in, Power Man 5000, i was going to buy tickets this sat but the album and tour is put on hold cause their adding new music to the record. there giving refunds for those who already bought tickts. http://music.yahoo.com/music/news/launch/story.html?a=n/music/news/launch/rock/20010816/17/p1&b=n/music/news/launch/rock/20010816/17/p2
maria <sparks_1>
covina, ca usa -

hey got a newsletter today!! **BUT** it was in my junk mail, soooo if you don't see it check your filters. just a helpful hint. later starters ~*~cheers~*~
maria <sparks_1@hotmail.com>
covina, ca usa -

i heard the start today on channel one in school---shakedown.
kt
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this was from cdnow.commembers of Orgy were spotted at the Depeche Mode show at Staples Center in L.A. on Tuesday (Aug. 14), where singer Dave Gahan was seen shacking his !#&!! to the crowd (and we mean, he literally turned his back to the audience and shook his !#&!! like it was his job to shake that thing!) at least 14 times. But, hey, who's counting?! so did anyone see orgy at the show?
Ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Yes, DM was a very thrilling show. I had a spectacular time, we should do it again. Hopefully you will not get lost next time...he he he! I couldn't have laughed anymore...how is your cunt? You look so cute in the pic. you sent me....tell Nae that I said 'Thanks for a wonderful time'...and THANK YOU sooo much!!! Love you...
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Fiona, british people came in to my work yesterday, and i thought of you. i miss you. Ryan, you don't have to worry about doing that print out for me anytime soon. we wont need it till october anyways. my mom just thought it listed the radio shows. i'll talk to you later. the powderfinger CD is real good.
timothy <fiercecircle>
buena park, ca -

natalie, was that you i saw walking in covered in theSTART stickers? we left right after their set and didn't have the heart to tell the two obvious theSTART fans. damn. then there would have been.. a whole six of us! the set was great but the crowd pretty unresponsive.
stefanie
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Anyone go to Depeche Mode tonight 8/15 @ the Staples? It was very wonderful- Erika I hope you had a swell time w/ me and Renee- we should all do it again.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca usa -

Hola! Hey Erika... I am great.. More studying at home. But It'll pay off eventually near year. hahahaha.. Great news!!! Sevendust is coming in Octuber I think. lol..
Emily
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Hyp/Amanda - Hi Lass, hope it all get better *hugz*. E-mail me at some point you hear!
mikey <sober@eidosnet.co.uk>
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Hello Amanda~ Good luck doll, love ya! Talk to you soon. Emily~ How are you doll? Ellen~ Hey huh, what's up? Tonight is the DM concert. We're going to have so much freaking fun! Talk to ya'll soon!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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hey guys. i'm back. for today. and then i'm gone again. thank you to all of those who said something for your words. yesterday was extremely hard but had the comic relief. you don't really expect to see 2 kids under the age of 5 at a funeral, so of course it wasn't a quiet service. but oh well. anyway. i dunno on whatelse. i'm looking forward to october when theSTART finally comes out here.
take care all. byebye.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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;*D i finally found a copy of the cd yesterday Shakedown! is a kick ass song great way to open the album! ;D .. well i hope to see you guys live soon! ;D bye.
Hans <Error_In_Excellence@hotmail.com>
Albion, NY USA -

Okay Ryan~ I shall be waiting for you and Nae...to be on the safe side, call my cell! Hmmmm. I can't belive tomorrow is DM. If you don't have my cell number call me at home tonight...or i'll be online. Love ya doll!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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opps... it's Static-x "this is not" hehe..
Emily
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Have fun tomorrow you guys. My friend sold her tickets on ebay, because she had too many shows to attend this month. heheh.. Yeah.. the cd is very cool. It has video clips, commercials, and songs. Inside the CD case, it contains a little booklet that features the pictures of Tony Hawk, Bucky Lasek, etc. Some of the bands on there are like static-x "this is now", Disturbed "down with the sickness" Stereomud "pain, Xzibit, Wu-tang Clan, etc. It's very cool. You guys will definitely enjoy watching the videos. I was going "wow" the whole time. hahaha..
Emily
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Yeah Emily- that would be cool- who is on it exactly? The Ozzfest cd came out today-- that is all I remember for today-- Erika me and Renee will be there to pick you up around 7 depending on traffic- we are leaving here around 6 to try and beat traffic on that 5N- so I'll call you at home when we are close by.
Ryan <HERO ELUX @ A O L. C O M>
anaheim, ca USofA -

Emily~ I'd love a Cd! I'll call you later on tonight....It was cool talking to you again! Ryan~ Intersting way of stating that!...lol.
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Yeah it seems we all lost our cherries to the Pumpkins-- oh wait I didn't have one to start-- but you know what I mean....
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca 92804 -

Erika, Ryan, Ellen Do you guys want me to save you a copy of the x-game CD?? I got it this morning. It's awesome!!! I can bring that to the static-x show too. lol.. you guys will definitely like it.
Emily
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Well my first proper gig was Metallica, so ya boo sucks to all you who got to see the Pumpkins. I never did. :o(
Metal Malcolm
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8.13.01 Hammerstein ballroom, NYC
Well the night started off pretty badly. One of the people that was susposed to come to the show with me got into a car accident a few days ago, so she couldnt come. Doors opened at 7, i got there at 7:45 i MISSED THEM!!! (im still upset about that). I coulnt afford to buy a shirt otherwise i couldnt get home, but i guess its ok cos i made my own. We were standing in front of the merch booth, just about to leave when i see Scott (thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!!!) and the manager who then took us backstage. When we got there they said Aimee had went outside for a walk, so we went to the loading dock and stood there for a min and all of a sudden the band (minus scott) walked in, and the night just turned around from there. I dont know who's sweeter Aimee or her mom :o) You guys are awsome, i love you even more now. I just wanted to say THANK YOU!
natalie
ny -

Weird how everyone popped their concert cherry seeing thePUMPKINS as their first concert. My first concert was Lollapalooza '94, weirdly enough that thePUMPKINS did play,too and that was my reason to go. +AMANDA+ you know I'll be at My Ruin ha ha ha ha ha... I am excited over that, but I'm more excited over Candiria!!! weeeee
Lorie
Los Angeles, CA 90034 -

(Ryan)There is a conspiracy on here...everyone seems to have seen the Pumpkins. Ironically that was my first concert too! The Pumpkins and Kiss Halloween '98(i think)...lol. Emily~ I wasn't home sorry! I'll call tomorrow!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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My first concert (that I actually wanted to go to) was the pumpkins too! The mellon collie tour aswell, but It was postponed for us cos Jimmie's dad had just died (i think that's what it was).. Billy wore his zero shirt and those silver pvc pants.. mmm
lauRa
oz -

just want to thank theSTART for an awesome show in new york city tonight... setlist 'glimmer man,' 'melt,' 'nemesis,' 'hang on me,' 'her song,' 'time' (or was time before 'her song?'), 'gorgeous,' 'shakedown!' and oh yes, MASSIVE thanks to aimee, her mother and ENO for talking to us pre-show.. made my night; you guys were great!
stefanie <justine@nme.com>
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Hi everyone! I have posted here for awhile so I hope everyone is doing ok and all...:) I was just wondering who was all going to the My Ruin/PMM show Saturday August 25th??? :) ok well xoxoxo to all! :D
AMANDA <spookyw0rmybaby@aol.com>
burbank, ca -

Erika are you at home??
Emily
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everyone gimme an element. i need about 5 of them. an aspect, an emotion, an inanimate object, fuck i don't care. i'll take what yall give me and cook up a good really good one.
kt
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you want a scary story, do you Dayv?
kt
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my first concert was also the pumpkins' melon collie tour. garbage opened. i remember having to wait for them to come back for something like 5 months after jonathan melvoin died and they had to postpone everything and sack jimmy chamberlain.
kt
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Hey all, what is up? Anyone happy Fall is slooowwlly making its way around!? I am! I love Fall! Halloween! No one dying of heat exhaustion! TheSTART touring with Incubus! Anyway, I thought since Halloween is a lil more than 2 months away, heh...I want some scary stories damnit! Come on! Share em!
Dayv <VirgosSleep11@aol.com>
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My first concert was Aerosmith and Jackal....It was the Livin on the Edge tour. Man oh man.....still one of the best I have ever seen. Alright, I am 17 now, and that was for my 8th b-day....do the math, I can't figure out what year that was. -Lex
Lex
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'ello heretics! i come here sporatically and very rarely get noticed, but i figured id speak more. i have a question...u know the whole qoute from Edwin Markham that is "misqouted" in SHAKEDOWN? the whole "symbol" for theSTART, does anyone know what was misqouted? also, ive been seriously considering getting theSTART symbol, two circles and an arrow tattooed on me. granted, its basicly about a band but i like the quote. any thoughts? im anxious to talk to more heretics soon!
SteFanie RaYna <RAYNARAIN@AOL.COM>
chicago, il usa -

Ryan- My first show was Jan-30-2000 Kid Rock/Sevendust at Moline, IL. My dad drove me three hours to see him. In the pit the whole time!!!!
Emily
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[Natalie]- it is possible that we have talked before I cannot remember. But I checked out your profile and may I say I love how you've organized it! You chose 2 great women to quote. I'm going through a Pumpkins fix right about now-- I wish they would come back in pre-Machina era--Mellon Collie was my first concert in Las Vegas and I would do anything to experience that again!!!!!! What are your guys' first concerts?
Ryan <HeroElux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca in the circle -

Heyyy everyone. long time no post. im very excited tomorrow i FINALLY get to see them...its been years and finally tomorrow. wow. any & all heretics going to the Hammerstein please mail me. thanks.
Ryan, i think we used to talk a while back? was that you?
natalie <nirvanavcv@aol.com>
yonkers, ny -

very BLAH right now. i lost about 40 pages of work to a fidgety hard drive recently.
kt
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hey you guys! how is everyone?
-erika
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hey emily...no i didn't get it..for some reason..and i kept iming you...and you never got those...hmm.weird.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Opps.. hehe.. it's "Ellen" not "elle"
Emily
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Elle, did you get my IM message on saturday day night??
Emily
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hey guys, im going to the palace show too!! and katie, i saw the video the other night on m2.
tina <badbrains326@aol.com>
canyon country, ca -

yeah where the hell is chris?
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Tiger Army was okay. Like the show was sold out when we got out of the car. So my two friend just wondered around there for about twenty minutes and found their own tickets for fifteen bucks.. then like me and my friend's sis didn't have the ticket. So they were helping us finding tickets. So you know how there is that street corner by the Troubadour on the left side. yeah.. one of the opening band's guitar player was unloading his amp and guitar. But we didn't know so we just asked him if he sells tickets. Then I was helping him bring the guitar in. So he ended up putting me and friend's sis on their guest list. Very sweet guy. I am very grateful. I went to the show, because my friend from chicago wanted their pictures and autographs. I actually don't listen to the band. But yeah.. I ended up talking to the singer and stuff. Hot guy by the way. lol.. Erika- We'll definitely have do to the band thing next summer. It'll be great. yeah.. I am totally gonna be at the Palace's show. So everybody better be there!!!!! PS- I hit the bushes today while I was practicing how to drive. Very bad moment right there. My mommy's car is fine.
Emily
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hey guys...yes the hob will definetely be a herectic night....hmmm...we should all wear our start t-shirts or something...nah i wanna dress cuter...lol..for deadsy..j/k...well i'm gonna be there super early so i can go shop a 'lil bit and meet up with you guys to go shopping with you too...plus i'll try to meet with josh, the deadsy manager, so i can persuade him to give me vip passes for u guys.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Emily~ we'll do the band thing for sure. Call me up oneday and we'll jam out and I'll teach ya a bit....then you could do the same with me. I've always wanted to learn piano. I've wanted to play like Tori Amos. She is bad ass!! Hmmmmm..anyone know how to play drums???? I'll learn if we don't find someone. Kick ass, finally be in a band that we share the same musical appreciation.**Ryan I finally found somethng I like....good things do come to patient people. **Chris~ why the hell haven't you been on the board??
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Hello Lovely heretics.....hey katie, long to no speak! Hey Emily, Ryan, and Ellen. Should we make the HOB a Hertic night? I'm going to go to that venue so hopefully you will to Emily, Ryan, and Ellen. That would be too much excitment for the Palace to take, since it's a small venue and stuff. I'm also going to the palace one with my friend. So hopefully I'll see you Ry, and Emily if you decide to go to that one. Talk to you all soon! Love....
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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yay thanks emily for that info! I'm def. gonna grab a copy of the magazine :)
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Awww Hyp *big hugs*, yeah just go get a way from it all from a time.
mikey
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Hey Emily- yeah no problemo-- I am going to go to that show for sure- I think I am going to go to the Palace show too! How was the Tiger Army? My friends say they are pretty good? Thanks for the poster- I went to Hot Gothic today and bout 3 more weezer buttons lol- I have a bunch now- they don't sell theSTART yet those bastards!! The guy just looked at me and said theWHO? I was like no the who was a 70's band- this band is NEW! He was like umm... no we don't have it, "oh that is what your shirt is... I couldn't figure out what it is, but thats pretty cool..." so their imagery is bringing on curiousity it seems!
Ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, -

hey all! i haven't been on here for a while. i got detached considering theSTART hasn't played Hollywood in a while (as they used to every other month) and neither has My Ruin or any other band with the same following. i haven't seen any of the people on here in a while, so i got sidetracked. how is everybody doing? and who's seen the video on TV?
*katie* <deadsychick@yahoo.com>
los angeles, -

****Ticket Alert****Ticket Alert**** The Static-X tickets are on sale now!!!!! The Palace Saturday 9/1 is $18.50 House of Blues-Anaheim sunday is $17.50 Wow... $1 dollar difference!!! So which one are we all going???? Pick a heretics'date. Ryan- I can bring you the weezer poster when we go see the show.
Emily
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Oh... It's okay Don't worry about it. Yeah I'll definitely make ya a copy
Emily
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emily....incase i don't get it will you make a copy??.....sorry about tomorrow, daddy is mad!
-erika
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Has anybody been to the Troubadour lately?? Yeah.. I went yesturday to go see Tiger Army. Well.. it was pretty boring before the show, so I grabbed one of those MeanStrett Magazine they have at the front door. They had a half page theStart's article. It was pretty cool. It's the August Issue. If you guys ever stop there. Grab a copy.
Emily
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fuckin suge could break p ditty in two with his bare hands. and i'd pay good money to see that, front-row-seats close up.
kt
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Hyp:- My thoughts are with you dearie. Hope you get through things ok. kt is right, he's bound to be enjoying himself with a few 40's pin ups right now. Bettie Page better watch out. Mail me when you can.

kt. I remember seeing Verbena support the Foos YEARS ago. They were ok, but the sound sucked, and I never heard any more about them. And P.Diddy? Well, he's an asshole, it's a well known fact. I'm sure Suge Knights return is gonna see some interesting things happening. Unfortunately.....
Metal Malcolm
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To answer the question below of who else is opening the Static-X shows, I just read that the Apex Theory will be on the bill. Woo hoo....I mean, these shows are gonna RULE!
Lex
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alright i just watched "P. Ditty" 's music video and i am pissed beyond my own belief. we're talking about the fucking warpath here people. why is it soooo cool to be rich now? why do i feel so cheap? how can ANYone relate to a lyric like "Don't worry bout writin' rhymes, i write CHECKS"....what the FUCK?!? maybe that particular line gets to me because i don't even have a damn bank account. maybe thats it. but somebody answer me this---what's with all these fucking...ben stiller, shaq, snoop, dave navarro, ice-cube...yeah P, yeah man, i'm SURE you're just great friends with all these people, i'm SURE you still call and keep in touch with them all, i'm so fucking SURE you kick back a few beers with travis from blink-one-eighty-spew every fiday night...i mean what the fuck? this is like name-dropping at it's absolute worst. how much of that video's budget do you think he spent on paying these people to appear? see...if i were going to do anything similar, as founding member of Corky Smackwaggle's Tall Fisherman Trio featuring one-legged virtuoso Banjo Bobby Brenham and the impeccably righteous Rev. "Toothless" Larry Cobb, i would have the following appear in my video: Jimmy Carter, the guy who plays Barney the dinosaur, appearing without the purple suit, the energizer bunny, the model from the Dolce & Gabanna ad in the people magazine issue i thumbed through while waiting for the person ahead of me in line at the gas station, Roky Erikson from the 13th floor elevators, all of Fat's Domino's surviving children, danny boneduc-(oh what the hell, why not the whole goddamn partridge family?), the osmonds, yasser arafat, john lydon's head on a stick, that woman from the snapple commercials a few years back, willie nelson, Patty Hearst (!), the West Memphis Three (if i could arrange some sort of temporary thing with their prison warden) and last and of course least, P. Ditty himself, flailing about in a tank of hungry barracuda.
kidneythief
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sonsabitches at Glory Hole sold me zero-guages instead of two's. FUCK their return policy i want what i damn well paid for. i dont wanna rip my goddamn ear off trying to get these motherfuckers in
kt
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Amanda~ so sorry doll. Hopefully you'll be fine. Death is something scary yet thrilling! It's weird. Mikey~ hopefully you'll be fine also. We should apprciate what we have huh? Hopefully you'll both be alright!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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i assure you, Hyp, that right now he's drinking hard with Elvis and at least four of the Apostles, flicking dimes at cherubs and having a blast...
kt
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mikey - thanx too. thanx to all of you. anyway, he didn't make it. found out about a half hour ago. so i'll be mia for a few days. take care everyone.
hypnaughtika
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Thanx Hyp, his problem was major blood loss. But I did find out that his is covered in Tatoo's loads of 40's pin ups. I only knew about the ones on his arms. Strange guy my granddad.
mikey
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oh crap. this blasted computer hates the speakout. more messages. so...thanx kidneythief & lex. mikey - awww, hope you're well and good luck. mine went in on saturday. water on the lungs and around the heart and stuff.*hugz back to you*
hypnaughtika again...
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erika & ryan - thanx.
on a different note. i hope to have welcome to thestart moved and soon to be up and running. new location. new layout as soon as i figure out what to do with it. and all the latest stuff. just need some more time.
take care.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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who is else opening besides deadsy?
heroelux@aol.com
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ahhhhh! thank you so much lex! I have an old pass from the other deadsy show...can't wait to use it again...:)
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

has anyone here ver listened to Verbena? i've been a fan of that band forever i still don't know what theyre up to. anyone have any idea? i remember before i had this internet doohickie i always wondered when HWP was going to come to town. it wasn't until i actually got online, after owning that album for like a fuckin year, that i found out they had been broken up for just about that long. same with VD and drain STH. i'm always the last to know this shit.
kt
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Damn it! hypnaughtika - its must be catching becuase my Grandpop went in to hospital on sunday nite with a heart attack. He's 84. *Hugs and fingers crossed*
Mikey
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Yes, indeed. Much love to you, Amanda.
lex
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wishing best to amanda's grand-pops...
kidneythief
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YAY. I made my own theSTART fansite. If you're bored, check it out :D http://tragicpurity.net/gorgeous
Tara <get_your_gunn_a_dope_hat@yahoo.com>
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Dude, fuck yeah! I even called who was going to open the Static-X shows! They are gonna rule. I was only going to the HOB one, but now I shall go to both! See ya'll there. Oh yeah, a tip for you guys. If you have ever received like, a special events pass or whatever from the HOB, try to take it again and use it. I have used my pass for tons of shows, and they never check the date, so I can always go backstage and sit in the balcony and stuff.
Lex
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Hey Ellen- yeah can't wait to meet up with you since we are usually at the same shows and don't know what eachother look like, email me and I'll give you my digits and you can call me or I can call you before the show to make plans. Hypnautica~ I'm sure everything will be fine, there is always something good that can happen out of bad, that happend to my gramps not too long ago and he pulled out 93 percent and is almost perfect again... its just sometimes there is a down time. I wish you the best of luck though heretic >=) Hope you are all well.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca USofA -

Amanda~ sorry to hear the bad news. Good luck with your family doll, hope to hear from you soon! love you!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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woah. haven't been here for a few days. and probably a few more days i'll be missing in action. gotta keep moving back and forth from here to my grandparents. my gramps is in the hospital and it doesn't look to good.
anyway - just thought i'd pop by for a hello. take care everyone. goodnite.
hypnaughtika
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i didn't know you could even say "substantially"
kt
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dude your crimpin' my style, G. look at what you just wrote! how many of those words did you learn from being around me?!
kt
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i know i didn't. i don't know any of these people. i sent you a message like 30 min. ago or something. check your e-mail it should be there.
gnat
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what's your email address asshole? you didn't post it.
kt
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This be Russel G, the Mack Daddy of Party-Pig Plus. This is that band you told me to check out, right? I can't listen to the songs cuz my computer speakers blew out and i don't know where the headphone jack is on this thing. Oh well. It looks like theyre coming with incubus. I don't like incubus. if the tickets are like thiry bucks or something you're going to have to find someone else to go with.
gnat
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wtf are you doing here? david? is that you? russ? who is that? only four fucking people know that story....
kt
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That deserves explanation, Nick! Once, a younger, substantially more naive kidneythief ventured with his esteemed associates *ahem* into Austin's Highland mall with 4 unwrapped, unstuffed whole chickens. Got those grimy nasty things out of an HEB dumpster across the street. We didn't know exactly what we were going to do with them, until we walked into the main junction of the mall and realized we were on the second floor. 2 chickens were pitched down into the wishing fountain below (which caused quite a splash, i must say, and soaked 2 nearby kiosk vendors) and the other two were rolled like bowling balls into the Victoria's Secret. When we were finally apprehended by the stetson-wearing secutrity guard, we were informed that if we ever felt like setting foot inside Highland mall or any Victoria's Secrets, we might as well walk straight into the Travis Co. Juvenile lock-up.
gnat
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all malls give me nightmares.
kt
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Yeah.. I'll e-mail you right now after I post this. hahahaha..funny story!! Isn't saturday more convinent for everybody??
Emily
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Hmmmmm. E-mail me Emily. I want to hear the story so badly! lol. I'm going Ellen! We should all hang out together at the palace show!or the HoB!!! DEADSY is awesome!!!! Talk to you all later!!! love you all!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Malcolm - I remember the days when Hundred Reasons where called Floor. I like them, but I like Lost Prophets a bit more.
Mikey
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I'm only gonna say two things. 1) There was a nice little review bit on theSTART in Kerrang this week, i'll post it up soon. 2) You cannot understand how good Hundred Reasons are. Really. :o)
Metal Malcolm
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Shopping. Okay cool.... sounds fun. yeah... lol.. Eirka. I am not going back to our mall!!! Santa anita mall gives me nightmares. But it's actually a pretty good mall. My teacher took our class to Ontario Mills. How sucky!!! Really crappy malll. And so far away. ugh.. anyway.. yeah I am going to the static-x show at the palace. So hope to see everybody there. hehehe.. e-mail me if you guys are going to the mall. Erika I have to finish telling you my funny story. hahaha.. sorry about last night. I really had to go!! heheehe..
Emily <emi32585@aol.com>
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yay! can't wait to see you ryan! if you'll stick round with me..probably you can't hang out in the vip area like i did last time..lol...with the orgy dudes..and mark mcgrath..if they are going..
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

I want to go shopping but I don't think I am going to go today- I usually go to a variety of places, I need to get a cash flow first lol. I am going to see Static-X at the HOB and probably the Palace too so I'll see you there!
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca usa -

i'm going to see powerman! i'm excited i get to see machine head again!!!! =)
jean <defgurl1@aol.com>
la, ca -

holy shit.....to whoevers seeing static-x in the west coast......DEADSY is playing too! Ahhhhhhh!!!! I am so happy....I am going to see deadsy again at the hob...hopefully i can see the manager again..he's cool....yeahhhhhh.....who's going to see static-x now?
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Oooohhh I wanna go shopping! Hmm..what mall...
Ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Ryan~ let's go shopping. That would be cool, Emily(hopefully), Ellen, you, and I shopping. Let's arrange something. lol. take care doll. talk to you all soon!
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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A couple things...first off theSTART PITTSBURGH FANS!! Listen up! If you check the tour dates for the next tour, notice there is not Pittsburgh date...So heres my plan...Oct 21st they are scheduled in Cleveland, so in order to satisfy our need to see theStart AND Incubus i decided I will drive anyone who wants to go and doesnt have a ride (max of 4 people). So if you can get the ticket, and spare maybe $1 for gas, I will be glad to take you as long as there are only 4 people and you are ABLE to go! meaning, i will get no shit from parents, girlfriends, boyfriends, etc! If you would like to get a spot in on this, email me. Second off...question time...who would everyone here like to see theStart tour with?
Dayv <VirgosSleep11@aol.com>
Pittsburgh, PA USA -

I'm tired- I need to go school shopping. Anyone want to go?
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca usa -

gonna dye my hair red and black, anyone gonna go see Powerman5000? **Let the moon and stars smile upon theStart**
maria <sparks_1@hotmail.com>
covina, ca usa -

the system show will kick ass september 3rd...im definitely looking forward to that one!!! ALSO, TO ANYONE WHOS GONNA BE IN THE SUNSET AREA AUGUST 16, CHECK OUT ONESIDEZERO PLAYING AT THE ROXY. They go on at 9:30. I believe they opened for theSTART @the whisky May 8. i just heard theyre gonna be touring with Incubus and theSTART as well...im not sure how much of it is true though.
Elo
L.A, Ca -

FREE SOAD SHOW!!! i'm totally there! two tone is totally the way to go! black and blonde beautiful. purple and red is where i tread. where was the SOAD vid shoot at?
maria <sparks_1@hotmail.com>
covina, ca usa -

the start is the magic bullet against everything that's out there right now.
kt
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SIGHT TO BEHOLD
kt
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the popcorn machine at my video store is quite a site to behold. an ancient relic harking back to the days before microwaves, the windows are glazed over with an incredibly thick layer of something...quite possibly oil. the same odd brown crusty/gooey substance is found in frightening amounts, crusted over the popper mechanism itself. we're talking at least thirteen years that i know of, thirteen years worth of crusted over layers of oil and butter that all eventually harden and turn the same amber hue. at least thirteen years that i know of and this machine's never been cleaned. it's such a fantastic marvel of human achievement and technological progression that i firmly believe the old hulking glass and metal thing belongs in the smithsonian institute. I think i found the flux capacitor on the underside of the sheet metal plate that covers the "warming bulb", and i think it's activated when the butter amount for one batch is of exponential proportions. i could very well be sent flailing thousands of years into the past with this old archaic popcorn machine, and i think tomorrow night at work is the perfect time for a test run.
kt
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Just feel the urge to check in on the forum to say hi. I am still listening to "Shakedown" pretty much non-stop. I love it so much. It has been a big help with my music I have been doing, just because I hear something brilliant and it makes me want to create that much more. Anyway, I plan on having the cd done in October some time and anybody from this message board who wants a copy for free can let me know in the future just so I can get my music out there. My sister who is doing vocals is rockin' and everything else is done by me on computer, synth and guitar. Anyway, peace and love to all. Keep supporting The Start, they need to hit it big, I can't take all the crap that makes it big in music now.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN USA -

Hi Im wondering about international release dates for shakedown! also wondering about the Australian street team and whats happening with that?
Jack <toomuchprozac@hotmail.com>
Sydney, Australia -

I know ya'll are SOAD fans here, as well, so I thought, if you didn't know this news, I would post it. So here --------------For now, the group are set to wrap up shooting the video for their current single "Chop Suey", tomorrow in Los Angeles, CA and have announced a free show which is set to take place in Hollywood, CA on September 03rd in the parking lot across from Club Vynyl on Schrader and Hollywood Boulevard.
Lex
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Britt, yes, i agree! Jamie is very talented! :D I was thinking that myself when I saw them.
Tara <get_your_gunn_a_dope_hat@yahoo.com>
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Hey, I just saw The Start with Sugar Ray. They are AMAZING. I will bw buying their cd very soon.
kara
MI -

Hey i just wanted to say i think..uhm whats his name? Jamie i think.....i think he is very talented! i mean he can sing, play the guitar, and the key boards!! now dont u think thats talented???
Britt <BonJoviGirl231@hotmail.com>
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I just want to say that I really miss you guys.(theSTART)And I hope your having the greatest time. Come back soon. Anthony and I will be waiting.Missing all of U -Omar(The guy whos always early)
Omar <WoNdErBluff@aol.com>
CA -

stephanie -- ill be at the ny show. email me.
natalie <nirvanavcv@aol.com>
ny -

hey kids... who here's going to new york? i demand that we meet up. i will be the girl scout leader.
stefanie
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Hey Lex. How is it going? e-mail me. bye
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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yay! can't wait to see you again alex.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

hooray for the start! it was fun seeing you guys and hanging out after the show in indy! im really looking forward to the next time. bye bye!
Myra <zerosignal66@hotmail.com>
columbus, in united states -

shannon is name is jeff jaeger....hopefully i spelled the last name right...yeah he plays bass..he's a cool dude.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

OK, UK peeps, anyone wanna go to a free gig? I won tickets to see Hundred Reasons on Thursday, but by the looks of it, none of my friends can go, so I have a spare. I can't promise that anyone can have it, because obviously if one of my friends CAN make it, they'll have priority, but presuming they can't...anyone wanna go? You need to mail me by Wednesday night, coz i'll be going straight from work. It's on thursday night at 7:30 ish at the 100 club in london. Any takers? Needless to say, the tickets will be the cost of buying me a drink in there....... :o)
Metal Malcolm <metalmalcolm@hotmail.com>
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i watched you guys in indy and i was so impressed you guys kick ass i'm not sure of his name but the guy to the right of the stage was so hot and so sweet i asked him to sign my shirt and he had no problem with it let me know where your going next and i'll drive to watch
shannon parsons <sparsons@salliemae.com>
westfield, in us -

I went to your show in Chicago then I went to your show in Indianapolis. I love you guys. Scott you kissed me on the cheek. I really had fun. Can't wait till your in Chicago again. See you there
Ashley <Muddblue02@aol.com>
Round Lake, IL United States -

system was gone. and my friend wanted to leave. so yeah, i left.. hehe.. but you know i had fun. a bit too much fun if you ask me =)
jean <defgurl1@aol.com>
la, ca -

You e-mailed me Erika??? I didn't get your e-mail. Umm.. are you sure you got the numbers right?? e-mail again! hehehe.. ~Emily
Emily <emi32585@aol.com>
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tara's a hottie...wow.
kt
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i was at the sytem video. too much fun! jean, i can't believe you didn't stay till the end.
tina <badbrains326@aol.com>
canyon country, ca -

that aint nothin' compared to that cradle of thorns song she sings on...what's that one called again? someone refresh my memory...
kt
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this might have to do with theStart, but not sure. wanted to mention it just in case ppl live in any of the towns participating.. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010807/en/music-cinemark_1.html Cinemark Theaters (select theaters) will be showing a Sugar Ray concert live via satellite.
Cindy
Lincoln, NE -

I just got back from taking my dog banshee, to the vet.. She had to get her stomach pumped! This is the second time.. I am going to have to send her to NA if she doesn't stop soon!! Omar- I got it today.. THANK YOU SO MUCH.. *kisses*
lauRa
oz -

i got to see theSTART live the other night and i was lucky enough to meet scott and jeff! i took my cd to the concert with me and got their autographs. jeff said aimee and jamie weren't coming off of the bus, so he took my cd onto the bus and got their autographs for me. i can't believe how nice he is! :D
Tara <get_your_gunn_a_dope_hat@yahoo.com>
PA -

figured I'd go by my real name here....seems wierd to be going by a moniker I use on other message boards...anyway...I checked it and it should be the whole song....
Cory <caco0690@hotmail.com>
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I'm listening to HWP "this town" and it is just so weird to hear Aimee singing "Suck my dick in this town"....hehe....!!
Monolith <caco0690@hotmail.com>
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hmmmm....should be the whole song....let me see what I can do.....
Monolith <caco0690@hotmail.com>
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Hey Monolith- that was great-- are you going to upload the whole song later? I wondered what that would sound like- great quality!! The song stops at 1:39 I want to hear more!! Upload the rest if you can.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca usa -

me me me! i was there :) it was sooooo much fun :)
jean <defgurl1@aol.com>
la, -

Alright....hope that this worked.....everyone go to http://www.geocities.com/metalhead0690/ and you should just be able to point and click!!!if there are any problems or questions...just email me.....TATA!!!
Monolith <caco0690@hotmail.com>
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The Video Shoot for System of a Down, was Fucking Bad Ass. Shavo, Darren, Serj, and John Looked Awesome. It was a Killer Shoot! They had Us Standing Since 10am 'till 8pm. Hopefully Some of You Attended. If so Who? Thanks Emily....Did you get My e-mail? LoVe ya'll
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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i never reall dug oasis' music, but i do find the gallaghers to be endless sources of fascination. i think theyre absolutely hilarious. "I think, y'know, that i'm...just's important's him, y'know, just as talented and important in the group,"---Liam...."He's fuckin' schizophrenic...you do know that, right?"---Noel.
kt
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Hey Heretics - I got the album today here in Blighty - wow it's truly the most beautifully crafted catchy music i've heard in ages, oh yes. One of my friends Nicole is credited with "hey"s in Shakedown - how cooool!?! I hope theSTART are gonna be as big as they deserve. When is the vid out on MTV?
Buzz <buzz_lifescreen@hotmail.com>
Leeds, UK -

Saw theStart lst night for the first time in Pittsburgh. THEY KICK ASS! I can't wait to get their CD. They have alot of talent and i hope they go far!! Love Y'all! Rock on! Brit
Brittany <BonJoviGirl231@hotmail.com>
Pittsburgh, PA USA -

Why don't you upload it on a new angelfire site or somehting???
Emily
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AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!! ok, finally got the ok from echo on the acoustic mp3...but now....I need help with getting it distributed...I can't get it on mp3.com....and since I use hotmail, I can't send it through that either...anyone with computer experience, I need help with this shiet!!!!! let's get this out there for everyone!!!!!!
Monolith <caco0690@hotmail.com>
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Yeah, I was ashamed about oasis......
Metal Malcolm
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I am, Ellen. See ya thar! -Lex
Alex
Tustin, CA -

so who's coming with me to see static-x at the house of blues?
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

don't laugh? don't LAUGH?!? dude...i LOVE eric burdon and the animals. LOVE them.
kt
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Mary Purple sits on up the lobe of my ear like a wasp on a perpetually static basis, whispering things in the middle of the night that tickle the funny bones in my toes. I believe the third knuckle on each toe contract involuntarily when she does so because of the physiological effect of lying down horizontally for an extended amount of time to the point where the center of gravity focused in certain parts of your body shift, and your body shifts with them. A nerve spasm resulting from an alien tone being recieved and then not properly interpereted is another theory; however, there is no known technology with which to even begin to study or attempt to decipher the bizarre subliminal capabilities rumored to exist within the layers of those tones. They were supposedly heard once by an intern at S.E.T.I. who was playing tetris on his PC and forgot to load the new tape to record the very brief but intense transmition. He was said to have tracked where the signal came from, but only disclosed that it could've come from "anywhere but Sirius," to which no one could bring themselves to reply. He died from exposure in a bunker somewhere in Nevada. Mary Purple is more than fully aware of all this, and tutors me in my research and development projects involving frequent attempts to clone her and further the many causes we do and sometimes do not stand up for. "I don't have to stand on a soapbox to bitch" she says, and in that she professes the pure and unadulterated truth, around which our very lives orbit day after day. Mary Purple has the best legs i've ever seen. Her skin is completely immune to even the harshest ultra-violet rays, as she was baptised in such brilliant light at birth and was thusly capable of withstanding colors no other creature could even fathom. We entwine the roots of trees as a prank on mother nature. or so she tells me, but sometimes she's up to things beyond my own imaginings. She does not look to good in photographs. In fact, she does not even appear in them at all. the only known photographic documentation of her existence is an old print of the Hibernia bank hold-up in 1974. She had worked as a teller there for several years, and had also been, coincidentally, a big Patt Hearst fan. After the incident she quit and joined the Simbionese Liberation Army and helped smuggle arms, which they purchased in astounding quantities from a pot-bellied Lybian entrepreneur. Of course he denied it all to for many years, you know. But that he is no longer a bother. Mary Purple had his eyes, hands, and eardrums removed so he would live the rest of his life without ever knowing where he was or who he was with or what he was doing or essentially anything at all about his physial state. She knows how much things like that bother ordinary folk, and she knows how to take care of certain business. Mary Purple's dependencies run from Vicks menthol chloraseptic spray to her therapist, whom, she claims, is a talking fungus that grows in massive quantities under the larger boulders of Mars. "Once NASA lands," she says with a grin, "the party's alllll over..." If Mary Purple ever in her life touched a telephone, every electronically linked device on the surface of the planet would fail, and we would be sent spiralling backward aeons into the dark ages. But that bores Mary Purple. To the degree that every time I sit at any sort of word processor and attempt to clickity click her down she does that shampoo-commercial hairtoss thing that is absolutely out of control. And never fails.
kt
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Okay, don't laugh, but kt? That was the first song I ever learnt on guitar. I can still play it now. I then progressed to Oasis, then GnR.

Oh the shame, the shame......... ;o)
Metal Malcolm
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Have fun Erika!!!!
~Emily
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Hey u guys and amy kick ass!!!! I saw u in pittsburgh!!! I wanna thank scott for being so sweet to my friend and i!!! Good Luck in all ur touring!!! Amy...hope u feel better!!!
Leslie <leslieloveslang@aol.com>
Pittsburgh, pa usa -

I just saw The Start for the first time at the pittsburgh show and they were kick ass. They had so much energy, and alot of skill too. HOpe to see big things for the Start in the future.
JOe Kelley <balls134@hotmail.com>
Carnegie, pa us -

Emily~good luck! I'm off to the System of a Down video shoot! lol. wish me luck peeps! Take care ya'll LoVe
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Hey guys...despite some tech problems, theSTART put on one hell of a show..um...last night, i guess you could say by now. Only wish more people besides me where singing along. I felt very appreciated when Jeff gave me a shout out before "Shakedown!", and Scott was very cool too talk to after the show. You guys rock! If anyone feels like emailing me, whether it be theStart, or theStart fans...feel free! I dont visit he board much, but have been keeping tabs ;) So it would be great to talk to any of you! Thanks!
Dayv <VirgosSleep11@aol.com>
Pittsburgh , PA USA -

Thanks Ryan!! I have that "I will survive" disco song in my head now. lol
Emily
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Emily- we all survived last time-- I am sure you'll do fine again lol.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca -

there is...a house...in new orleeens that they CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL the RIIIIIIIIIISING SUUUUNN...
kt
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By the way.. I am practicing driving tomorrow between 11:30-1:30. I drive around my town, which is in Arcadia. hehehe.. Stay inside your houses. I think we need another puke update!
Emily
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i wonder if they need an opener...hmmmmmm *plucks at the banjo a little bit of the House of the Rising Sun*
kt
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holy shit! theyre coming to the music hall! finally! wooooo hooooooooo!
kt
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Corky Smackwaggle's Tall Fisherman Trio is complete! a vocalist, a fiddler and a banjo-player. What do yall think? we're doing heavy metal songs blue-grass style. i don't know about any of you folk, but something in me just needed to hear Smoke on the Water on the banjo. the chorus is a sort of garbled scratchy yodel, but it sounds fantastic. as Corky Smackwaggle's Tall Fisherman Trio featuring one-legged virtuoso Banjo Bobby Brenham and the impeccably righteous Rev. "Toothless" Larry Cobb, we have yet to find any clubs interested in hosting our little hoe-down, but soon, my friends, soon we will conquer our turf, which is south Lamar all the way to the Backroom, which is somewhere along the lower recesses of Austin's River-side. we will be heard!
kt
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Wow.. yeah im glad this place is still here.. those other ones are kinda scary... So if anyone read my entry on the other site.. HWP was played on XSTV extreme sports tv, at like 1 in the morning.. I couldn't beleive it.. DISEASE was on at the begining and when it came back from a break.. Well also i wanted to say Hello to everyone.. xoxoxoxox
Angela <onestaralone@yahoo.com>
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wow the new site is amazing!! a tad bit overwhelming thank god we still have theSPEAKout. does anyone know if the incubus tour is gonna have another date in NY cos the first one sold out and now im gonna cry.
natalie
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thanks emily, and linds. yes 'this town' is a bad ass cover. the bass line is super fun! -erika
. <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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oh thank you Emily!
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

"This Town" is a cover song HWP did of the GoGo's. It's amazing. But let me reccomend my favorite HWP song to you..."Electra". Okay I dies in my panties when they played that at the video shoot LOL I knew all the words and was flipping out aww. Anyways all this talk of the HOB in Anaheim makes me think...BILLY IDOL IS PLAYING THERE ON THE 28TH AND 29TH!! lol how great is that? Heh...sorry I just think Billy Idol is a hottie and I still love that 80's stuff.
Linds <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

Ellen, static-x is playing on 9-1 at the Palace and 9-2 at the HOB-Anaheim. Powerman 5000 is playing at the Palladium in Oct. hehe.. I have no idea when the static-x tickets go on sale. umm.. I'll be sure to find out soon ~Emily
Emily
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hey all, i was wondering of any of you guys would be prepared to scan the cover & back artwork of the thestart cd for me. unfortunately i am from europe. i did already order a copy, but (as usual) it will probably take ages before i will have it. i've had a burn for a couple of months, but i would definitely love to see hte artwork. thanks, tim.
tim <firstdayofnowhere@yahoo.com>
leiden, the netherlands -

seen.....sorry i have a lot of typos
-erika
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what? static-x at hob? pm5k at the same place?? someone explain it all to me, i'm confused lol...im getting excited now lol...ahhhh....
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

you don't know when they go on-sale? that's going to be one killer show. staic-x, i fucking love static; seem them about 5 times. lol. Hey has anyone ever heard of a HWP song called, "this town"? I'm trying to download it and my computer is so freaking slow!
-erika
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what?? I think I missed Primer 55 on friday night!!! My stupid driver friend!! he kept telling me the show starts late. We missed two band!! Oh well.. Yeah.. I like the HOB at anahiem. It's great! I saw (hed)pe there. hehehe.. I really really want to go to the one at the Palace. Since it's a saturday. It's easier for my parents to drive me. But if you really can't make it to the hollywood show. I'll try to go to the Anaheim one. I live in Arcadia. So either direction will take about 30 minutes.
Emily
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Yeah Emily I will probably be going to those. The HOB is right down the street. Tripp is fucking amazing in Static-X, I saw them at the Troubadour and in Vegas with him, he has a lot of energy but Koichi was awesome as well. The drummer from Dope went to Primer 55 did you know that? I hope Dope isn't dead because everyone is going elsewhere... their new cd is scheduled to be out soon. I can't wait.
Ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca 92804 -

yeah Erika!! We all need to go Representin'! Word up!! hahaha.. Ryan- Static-x is plying on 9-1 at the Palace and another show after that at the HOB in Anaheim. I found out the tour dates at www.streetteam.net I just really want to see Tripp with static-x. He is awesome when he was in Dope.
Emily
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Oh yeah, before I forget...Remember that guy from Halfcocked came on the board ravin about theSTART. Well, turns out, Halfcocked are going to be opening the PM5K show with Machine Head. Awesome...3 really good bands in one night.
Yeah
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Yes, I freaked out at the FF show when they announced that Static-X was playing. I guess they are only doing a few shows, tho. Does anyone have any idea who is opening? Wouldn't it be cool if Deadsy opened, considering Wayne always raves about them. And hell, they've already played the Anaheim HOB before...that would be an awesome show. When do tix go on sale? They aren't up as of yesterday. -Lex
Alex
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Hello lovely people! So when,and where is Family Values hitting? WE should all go, like Emily said, with poster in support for theSTART and all.
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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mikey - haha. thanx. lurking around this board?? you should post a little more often. it's good to see ya around.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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When is Static-X I didn't even know they were playing. Did you go to the show at the Troubadour or the Roxy? Aimee... who is God? Maybe you can introduce me cause I still never met him. You guys look wonderful in AP, good luck with the rest of the tour.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca USA -

Hyp - go take you meds and rest up, we don't want you falling apart on us. As for the hair question, I'm a black hair person. Now I'm going to go back to lurking on this board like always do.
Mikey <sober@eidosnet.co.uk>
UK -

Shameless plugging i know, but those of you in the UK should go and see Lostprophets play (www.lostprophets.com)when they tour the country in August/September 2001...My brother is playing bass for Kilkus, the support act. Thanks :) Fiona x
Fiona
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so the mystery of puke's tattoo has been revealed. so to all those wondering...i suppose you should go have a look.
ok. bed time for me. having a summer cold is so not good. i need some meds and sleep. ahh.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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yes you look absoluetly beautiful with blonde/black hair aimee :)
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

On being BLONDE... Hmmm is it more fun? I don't know. On being Black... is it good to be back? I Can't decide. On being black/blonde aaahhh this feels just right... duality is the place to be Tonight I had dinner with some great old friends, saw God, got a beautiful new home/bus, made a song on glassware and kissed the very ground. In a good way. obtuse?love to you all AECHO
Echo
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on the up side i LOVE *Nemesis* and *Gorgeous*
maria
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okay, i might be the last one to find out but the new site is up! don't care for it toooo much. itsssalllrrrttt. this is so much better **THANKS FOR KEEPING THIS SITE UP**. hey well i finally got the cd and don't like number 5. And i think i prefer theStart LIVE where i love #5!!!! but i think we all do!!!:) i still havn't seen the video! but you can see me in it. i think we should all go together to the family values tour, or meet there anyways up front and center giving theStart our all!!!later peeps. glad everyone is still here
maria <sparks_1@hotmail.com>
covina, ca usa -

Okay.. I am like crying inside. Why?? Because nowhere online did people say that (hed)pe is playing tonight at San Bernardino with Soulfly. I found out last night at the fear factory show!! What is this.. no advertising online it's just wrong!! okay hehehe We should have a heretic day!!! Let's all go to the family Values show together!! With posters!! ~Emily
Emily
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aww thank you erika! erika we'll pitch ryan some gas money for the concert...i can't wait..hehee..this will be lots of fun! lol
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Ryan.. are you going to the static-x show?? If you are.. then I can just give it to you there. I don't know if you like static-x. lol.. Or I think I am going to the powerman 5000 show.. so I can give it to you there too. lol.. hahahaa.. yeah! Or I can mail it to ya
Emily <Emi32585@aol.com>
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If I was Bill Gates I would at least try to attempt to do something cool instead of just worrying about what kind of software I would come out with next... have some fun you stupid bastard, he could at least afford a haircut don't you think? But if I had all his money I think I would put together some huge charity concert and have all the bands that I've ever wanted to see... I would be able to pay the bands that were like I don't know enough money to say hell yeah... I would have to use the greed factor just a tad he he heh. On another note- let me see if I can afford PM5k first of all. I think I should be able to. Talk to you all later.
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca USA -

Ryan~ I love you so much your super sweet! We should go! Hmmmm. I'll call you! Sorry about last night, my friend had a date..ooohhhh! Ellen~ I lost your number doll. Happy Birthday, and we shall go to the pm5k show. Love you all.
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Happy Birthday Ellen!! Love you a lot girl!
-erika
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Wow thank you Ryan! You are too sweet! Yes it would be cool if you, me and and Erika would go to see pm5k. we have to plan this out later..:)
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
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KT, build me one! It'd be nice to get away.

Ain't it great to be partying? Aphex all the way!!!!! :o)
Metal Malcolm
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i would equip it with landers, and build me a condo on Europa, too...
kt
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alright...here's a question for you all; the ultimate longing fantasy question: "If i were Bill Gates, i would..."...now, i don't mean the actual physical realization of Bill Gates, i mean the fact that he's worth something like 75+ billion dollars. In his own, private bank account. that, my friends, is enough money to buy every living human being on this planet a life-time supply of McDonalds Chicken McNuggets. what would you do with that money? that kind of figure grants you the capacity to do anyhting you want. after a lot of thought and consideration, i decided that if i had that much money at my disposal, i would walk into what ever NASA department is researching solar-sail technology, the kind of hardware that would allow a man-made vessel to travel at amazing speeds by simply sailing along the rays of the sun. I would walk into that place with a check in my hand and say "hey! who here's lookin at this solar sail shit?" and i would write them a check for sixty billion dollars to build me a spaceship that could do that, just sail around space on the light from the sun. No expense would be spared. i would set sail, get off this old rock and just float around for the rest of my life...
kt
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If you and Erika are on the way I'll transport you guys. We'll see if I can afford to go or not lol. Happy Birthday Ellen!!!
Ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
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Hey Aimee, are you going blonde again soon coz i saw a pic of you with HWP and you looked nothing short of amazing ... not saying that you dont look cute with the black, but blondes do have more fun dont they? Hope to see you's soon.
Fray <Ebow316@aol.com>
UK -

tough*
-erika
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i want to see powerman5000 again! hmmm..not sure if i had a ride though.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

Ryan~ are you going to the pm5k? We should arrange something. Emily- your super sweet. My Ruin is playing on the 25th? where? Hmmmm...Weezer and Incubus, over My Ruin. Though choice. Now I'm thinking about it? Damn please let MyRuin re-scheduale I'd love to see the beautiful Miss B again.
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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aww thanks Erika! no problem!
Ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

EMILY I'd love you forever for that poster!!! I am distraught though, Professional Murder Music and My Ruin are having a concert that same night!! But I already have my Weezer/Incubus tickets and I haven't seen Weezer since they toured with No Doubt a couple of years ago... sniff.. but I so wanted to see Tarrie. Maybe they will realize they picked a bad day to do the show and reschedule it!! They've done it before. Where do you live Emily maybe I can come and pick it up. We should all have a heretic day where we all mallrat or something. If any of your are interested, PM5k is having a show soon, the tickets are on sale 8/25 for the Palladium... I am not sure the date. Metal M- you should feel privelidged that you are just a select person to have that cd while other people in the UK are dying without it.. when they do finally come you'll be front and center and stick out like none other before. The time will come. Hope you are all well!!
Ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca usa -

Talking about licenses.... I failed my written test once and my driven test twice before I managed to get my provisonal license!!!
Amy <nemesis80@lycos.com>
Sydney, Oz -

going insane in this place. so i see thestart will be hitting here in october. which makes me happy. cuz i'll finally get to see them after all this time. and puke. hahaha. yes where is that tattoo?? i'm curious to know myself.
anyway i should get going. i've just spent one mad day in the sun and i feel like i've burned like a piece of unattended bacon. ugh. take care everyone.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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Ryan~ If I had the cash you know I'd go to NY. Imagine, all of the lil heretics there. It would be balls of fun.
-erika
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Yeah, Lex, as cool as Puke is, I see your point. Puke, where is that tattoo?
And will you all stop talking about tour dates? I'm getting jealous here! All I have is my copy of Shakedown to console me.

Oh, and any brit peeps, i'm having a party tomorrow (Saturday) and your free to come, mail me if you're interested. Sorry about the short notice.
Metal Malcolm <metalmalcolm@hotmail.com>
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When are you going to take your test Erika??? I am going like next year in Janurary. Who knows... Ryan I really think driving is torture. lol.. Oh.. when I went to go get the radiohead tickets... the KROQ show thing was on sale like two hours later. But Everybody was there. Ryan do you want like weezer promo posters?? I have few. I can mail you one if you want. e-mail me.
Emily <emi32585@aol.com>
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Emily don't feel bad the first time I went driving my driving instructor blasted Jesus Talk Radio-- I didn't even think there was such a station- he scared me royally- I learning nothing from him... he just kept making me drive around the block-- I thought I was going to die when I was driving with him. Good luck guys on getting your license.. it's the first step towards freedom (sort of)... Lori how have you been? Yeah I was just staring at it and I was like wow-- they are in magazines... and big... I am proud. I've been there since theSTART and watched them grow and its cool to see all of it happening!!! But hope you are all well... am I going to see any of you at the Levi's Inland Invasion with Incubus and Weezer?
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca USA -

thanks ellen!
-erika
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theSTART I heard is only playing the East Coast Incubus shows- they wont be here for us. They will be doing Family Values for us though. That would have been a great show to see them and Incubus! I think we should all fly to New York to see the sight don't you? We'll I am broke-- but the thought was nice >=)
Ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
Anaheim, CA -

Incubus is playing the Universal Amp. on December 1,2001. I guess this is when theSTART is also playing, is it??
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Hello lovely people! Ryan_~*HaPpY bIrThDaY*~ I'll call you when I'm in the area, love you a lot! Emily_that's great that you had a great time driving~I finish my hours today...4-630pm. Thank god! Puke looks so cute in the picture....Amanda where are you? bye people
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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Okay, first off, this is not meant as an insult to Puke at all. That guy is super awesome and very nice. But go to the Puke Report, and click on the Tattoo link to see everyone gettin their tattoo. Does it look like he (Puke) is having his temperature taken, but like, the baby way? I don't know...guess it's the angle.
Lex
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RYAN!!! HEYYY!!! What's up? Haven't talked to you in 20 billion light years...Yeshhhhhh they look gorgeous(hee hee) in the AP pic. When I got the magazine, I was flipping through it at my friend's work and I started spazzing out when I saw the article LOL...
Lorie
Los Angeles, CA 90034 -

Thanks Ryan. Oh gosh.. I went driving from 8-10 this morning. It was very very "scary!!!" I always go so fast then break. So it's kinda sucky. yeah.. everytime I turn.. there always a garbage truck like coming from the opposite direction. My coach kept talking on this cell phone!!! lol.. I did three U-turns. That was the best I thought. Oh Emily is a loser. pathetic. lol
Emily
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Kiss the ground it's back and all you wonderful people are back writing on it. Emily- good luck driving- I'm sure you'll do splended-- just don't hit the curb. Lorie- Don't they look gorgeous in that picture? Erika- thanks for the card, twas splendid!
Ryan <HeroElux@aol.com>
Anaheim, CA -

ok so theSTART is doing family values but the west leg of the tour right? Im so worried that the incubus tix are gonna sell out before i get a chance to buy them. that would just suck. Oh if anyone in NY is a fan of Kathleen Hanna (bikini kill, julie ruin, le tigre) Le Tigre is playing a show 8/28 at the knitting factory. woo hoo!
natalie
yonkers, ny -

TheSTART are a really good band. I went to the show here in Salt Lake with some friends at Trolley Square. It is a small place, and it was a free show. The guys were having problems 'cause they were using their bus (I don't remember its name, though it was a girl's one) to power their amps and other equipment. Aimee tried to sing "Gorgeous" unsuccesfully because the equipment and microphone did not work fully. Though they were unable to play, I had the opportunity to meet them afterwards, 'cause they stayed right there, hanging out with us, the little people. Aimee even wrote on my belly! Hey Aimee! If you read this, lots of kisses from the blue haired freak in Salt Lake. I will buy your CD as soon as I have money, and I find a freaking store that sells it. TheSTART are going to be big someday, and I'll be proud to say I knew them since the beginning... Or a little after the beginning... Have fun!!!
Alfredo <geekstinkbreath@greenday.org>
Salt Lake City, UT USA -

Static-x is going to be on the Family Values tour. I can't wait to go!! Can't miss it this time!! I was thinking.... We all should make posters and stuff. That spells out "theStart" with the circle sign. yeah.. that's be really cool. like the crowd from WWF smackdown. hahaha...
Emily
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Hey hey if anyone wants to see the AP article, lemme know and I'll e-mail it to ya'!!! M'kay!!! hee hee hee :D *hugs the speakout some more* yeahhh since this is easier to use than the other one :D
Lorie <DiabloPixie@AOL.COM>
Los Angeles, CA 90034 -

Ello heretics! i just got back frum the show in IL...it was super splendid! granted the crowd was there for sugar ray and the majority were wee grrrls, but i danced my little heart out! and i met the band afterwards...a wonderful bunch! and they love us heretics! thank you all madly for taking the time to talk to me, made me a happy dumb grrrl. i cannot wait to see u come along again with incubus. it was an amazing set tonite and thanx once again fur being so super nice! bless u all!
SteFanie RaYna <raynarain@aol.com>
Chicago, IL USA -

YAY! It's back... Thank you human!!
lauRa
syd, Oz -

Yeah-the old speakout is back, thanks Human! Notice how more people have posted here, than on the new site. LoL. Aimee- we also love you. May everyday be full of joy and take everything while you may! this is the commencement of a new beging, and this shall be theSTART(just thought it sounded cute)....~*HuGs and KiSsEs*~
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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fewwwww, its back!!
Amy <nemesis80@lycos.com>
Syd, Oz -

hello hello! *waves* so glad this thing is still around. and glad to see the usual kids around here too. hehe. i dunno on whatelse to say. take care everyone. byebyez.
hypnaughtika <hypnaughtika@yahoo.com>
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::hugs:: to everybody. I feel at home now. I love this bbs!!! hehehe... BTW: I am going out driving from 8:00 - 10:00 in the morning. If live around pasadena area. Watch out. Stay off the road. hahaha..
Emily
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I just noticed Scott's Becks-style Mohican in the tattoo section of Monsieur Puke's diary! Very cool.
Fiona
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Yes!! This is still here-- I love the new flashy site but this is the roots of the beginning!! I will check both but I leave my mark here and have been since theSTART. Hope you are all well!
Ryan <HeroElux@aol.com>
Anaheim, Ca USA -

Malcom it talks about the album and the band pretty much... I can't believe that they compared them to No Doubt (:O) what's up wit dat? No Doubt is cool and what not, but theSTART aren't ska. I'll scan the article a litte bit later...Okay children (:D) hee hee hee love you guys!!!
Lorie <DiabloPixie@AOL.COM>
Los Angeles, CA 90034 -

Hey people ! The new site is beautiful but it's not THE site... I finally got the CD from the US... YYYYEEEEEEEESSSSS ! I didn't sleep that night and listened to the CD again and again. It is so goooood ! just the best album in time. But where's the song with Jay Gordon ? does anyone know ? bye frozertt
frozertt <thefrenchstart@hotmail.com>
Etampes, France -

Greetings and salutations... I love you all so very much thanks for getting your copies of Shakedown! thanks to all who have made it to the shows. We are having a fabulous time, everyday bings a new adventure and new faces. the circle widens. I, to, will never abandon this place. It is OUR home. I will be here as often as I can get online and know that if we have not posted in a bit we are still keeping our eyes on you. I can't believe the record is finally out there for all to have. love and kisses from steamy Illinois. AECHO
echo
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oh...whoa...yes...this is much MUCH better. my pupils don't constric to near blindness hear like on the other one. fanTASTIC.
kt
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YAY!!!!!
IT'S BACK!!!

I must say, I loved getting an email addressed to "Metal", telling me we were back on. Anyways, how is everyone? And what does it say in the new AP? I can't get it here...
Metal Malcolm
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like new site, but this one is easier to use, nad quicker on my comp. have to say i am unable to get hwp album daft country oh well ta ta
sway <voodoo_29982@hotmail.com>
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*HUGS THE SPEAKOUT* AHHHH WAAAAYYYYY BETTER!!!! *phew* Geez, so who got the new AP with Radiohead on the cover? Since there is an article with theSTART and a purty picture of them and an ad for the new Rob Zombie album!!! Okie, this is better than that scary message board... :D
Lorie <DiabloPixie@AOL.COM>
Los Angeles, CA 90034 -

theSPEAKOUT has returned. is there a link on this site to see the video? if so where? thanks
natalie
yonkers, ny -

Thank god the speakout is back!!
Fiona
London, UK -

I was very sad to see in the puke report that The Start has not had amazing receptions everywhere they go. I can't stand Sugar Ray and Uncle Cracker and have no idea why they get praised when brilliant bands like The Start do not. But it is just a matter of time before people catch on. I love the cd. I haven't felt this way about a band for a good 5 years. I hope they are in Minneapolis soon without Sugar Ray. I tell everybody about them trying to spread the word. 10 people at the radio show? What the heck? I would of done anything to be at that show, ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Peace and love to everybody on this board.
Leo Alberti <orbitalgun76@hotmail.com>
Bemidji, MN 56601 -

i like this board thingy much better <33 more cozy.
punchy
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Yaaay! Speakouts back! and tomorrow i am seeing out beloved theSTART in chicago! and im still waiting to know if anyone knows how to meet the band. are they in their tour bus right after the set or what? im quite anxious to dance my lil heart out tomorrow nite! if annnnyone in chicago is gunna be there, tell me! ive asked this a few times, and no one claims to like theSTART in the land of IL! bless u all.
Stefanie RaYna <raynarain@aol.com>
chicago, il usa -

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! i feel at home now :)
jean <defgurl1@aol.com>
la, ca -

YAY! The old Speakout is back....and better then ever!! Whaaaaat's up heretics?? LOL! Thank you much, Human. You're a doll. This speakout means a lot to us...
*linds* <KaNdYrAz0r@aol.com>
Cottonwood, AZ -

we're baaaack!
human <human@thestart.org>
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just making sure everyone voted for thestart http://www.totalmusicnetwork.com/main/
BaTTY
chicago, il -

I think that you guys and "Echo" you fucking rock women keep up the bitchin work. All you hope your having fun back east.I see your website looking bigger and you all will be on the top before long.Take care and God Bless Shelley
angle n seattle <angleleatherlace@aol.com>
rochester, wa USA -

Does anyone else find the new Speakout difficult? It doesn't seem to let me read the message(s),damn it! I'm registered, but I don't know. I'm a computer dunce! LoL...
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
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I still can't see... it's like part black and stuff!! I hate hate hate my computer!!! They should make a video for "shakedown" too!!
Emily
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I loved this message board cause you can read what everyone says-- I'll just have to be versatile and use both-- everyone be sure to check out the video section cause we are all in it!
ryan <heroelux@aol.com>
anaheim, ca USA -

I am one of those people who doesn't get MTV2. Finally saw the video. But my real player sucks!!!! But it looks amazing!!! Why does the site say that the video's name is called "shakedown" did anybody else see that??? Weird. Great Puke report!!!
Emily
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who all is sticking with me and keeping this place alive? the format for that other one is too much of a headache!
kt
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I think this speakout is so original. I shall never abondon it; I think it's the best site around. It is so much easier to write what you want to in this board the other one is way-too high teach for me. LoL.....
-erika <black_morbid_angel@hotmail.com>
bell, ca -

I LOVE THE MUSIC!!!
MEG <MEGCOOL1@YAHOO.COM>
DENVER, CO USA -

Yup. The new site is great. But The interviews!!!

I never knew there was an HWP vid! What was it for? Powerstrip? I'm shaking I swear. IMUST SEE THIS VIDEO!!!! Can anyone help?
Metal Malcolm
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the new site is fucking great! wow! way to go you guys!
-erika <black_morbid-angel@hotmail.com>
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wow i just went on the new site and saw the gorgeous video...very cool...and i saw the individual interviews of all the members...which gave me a chance to hear the other guys talk...i love the site.
ellen <fiendfemme@hotmail.com>
costa mesa, ca -

hey everyone.. the new site is cool..although this one is where it all began! so i love this one better then that one for some apparent reason. is it REALLY true that u can be put on the guest list if ur on the street teaM? cuz i want to be put in for the incubus show! i dont wanna go to italy anymore MUST SEE theSTART!!!!
Laura <xBailarinax@aol.com>
New Rochelle, NY USA -

i had the most bizarre dream last night: i was sitting on a wooden bench in a faceless green park. it was very sunny and warm outside with comfortable cool breezes and a lot of bird chirping and oh cheery day. there were a lot of families and couple and other patrons, jogging picnicing and going about their sunny afternoons without a worry in the universe. i was reading a book. i looked up several times to spectate with the commonfolk a mime who had appeared out of nowhere to dance and flap and flail around and poke his finger into peoples' ears and such. he was wearing a black and white vertically striped longsleeve shirt and black highwatering trousers. he wore rainbow suspenders and a long, fat tie that had a giant exclamation point on it. he had on a beret, white face paint, red lipstick and cirlces on his cheeks, and big black suprised-looking eyebrows painted on his forhead. he was wearing white gloves. i watched him for about thirty minutes while he bounced around and did the crazy kind of shit that mimes do, and then suddenly we made eye contact and he stopped what he was doing and very melodramatically stared back at me. at this point we had everyone in the park's attention. not once changing his expression from a blank ear-to-ear grin, he danced right up to me, plugged his ear with one hand, pulled a silver .357 magnum revolver from his pocket with the other and shot himself in the foot. the book i was reading was an unabridged copy of Melvilles' Moby Dick.
kt <blowupdisneyland@hotmail.com>
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just got my shit comp (pardon french) to play the new clips they are great and i love the new flash site, cant wait till the album comes out over here ( and yes i know i could order it over the net, but i am an impoversihed student and at the mo i am broke)¤¿•º
sway
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im female, just for metal malcolms info
sway
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Chill man, chill...I can't get on there either. But the new site does look damn cool. And as for the video, even through my abysmal connection, it looks amazing. And Echo looks...well...I think amazing should do.

Anyone see themselves? You lucky video starring people types you...
Metal Malcolm
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shall we begin?
echo <echo@thisisthestart.com>
usa -

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